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Old 12-11-2012, 12:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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the test is a nice idea , but not a good test . You have rehydrated the rawhide , but WATER is not the environment of the gut . What happens when you have digestive enzymes working away , partial breakdown , and strong hydrochloric acid , trying to breakdown, and the motion of the stomach churning and moving material into the intestine. How much of the digestive juices are absorbed by this rawhide chew . Digestion involves more than one organ. The pancreas kicks in working over time, the liver works overtime trying to detox . All this while the chunk of rawhide is being worked over by high acids , creating a goopy chyme , which if things were all right would be squirted into a tiny opening into the intestine for absorption . But it can't do so because it just sits there . The dog may start drinking more water . Now you have even more problems. The dog can go into a toxic state, can't pass stool, but the bowel can leak into the bloodstream . That is if you don't have a crisis with gastric torsion.
I have seen the damage well meaning rawhide treats can inflict .

Everytime I am in a "pet shop" and see those treats , and now to add to it , rawhide in Christmas colours , with carcinogenic red dye , not to mention the long list of possible preservatives . There is nothing natural about rawhide. The last time it was natural was when it was on the animal . If you want to give hide , go to an ethnic butcher - get a pig hide or cow hide which is used to make gelatin .
"Producing rawhide begins with the splitting of an animal hide, usually from cattle. The top grain is generally tanned and made into leather products, while the inner portion, in its “raw” state, goes to the dogs. Removing the hair from hides often involves a highly toxic recipe: sodium sulphide liming. A standard practice is to procure rawhide in the “split lime state” as by-products from tanneries, facilities that top the list of U.S. Superfund sites. In the post-tannery stage, hides are washed and whitened using a solution of hydrogen peroxide. And that’s just one step.
Other poisonous residues that may show up in rawhide include arsenic and formaldehyde. Even dog skin is a possibility. An ongoing investigation of the fur trade by Humane Society International, an arm of the HSUS, resulted in this information, as listed on their website: “In a particularly grisly twist, the skins of brutally slaughtered dogs in Thailand are mixed with other bits of skin to produce rawhide chew toys for pet dogs. Manufacturers told investigators that these chew toys are regularly exported to and sold in U.S. stores.”
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There’s no knowing where it’s been, and where it begins is also unsettling. Rawhide is a by-product of the CAFO—or concentrated animal feeding operation, the bucolic term for today’s industrial farm.
“Nasty, brutish and short” is how Ken Midkiff, author of The Meat You Eat, describes the life of the animals who give up their hides. He’s no expert on rawhide, but Midkiff says he knows far more than he cares to about CAFOs, where thousands of “sentient beings,” crammed together inside huge metal buildings, “never see the light of day until the truck comes to pick them up for slaughter.”
“There’s also a major problem with various drugs,” he adds, citing a CAFO cocktail of antibiotics, arsenicals and hormones used to boost production.“While the claim is made that these don’t remain in the meat of hogs or beef, that claim has not been tested by any federal agency.”
Pattie Boden, owner of The Animal Connection in Charlottesville, Va., where organic toy enthusiasts shop, doesn’t carry rawhide. Instead, she stocks free-range chews, bully sticks, and organic raw bones, from shins to lamb necks. Her purchasing-protocol (and philosophy) is one owners might apply in their own search for healthful treats.
“I’m not going to be the most financially successful pet store,” Boden says, “but I feel confident in the products I select, and I can sleep at night.”

Excerpt taken from Bark magazine.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The test was just a test.
And I wasn't attempting to cover other scenarios such as carcinogenic dyes which is why I stated (I know that some of you have other reasons that they're not pro rawhides...)

In short the test was do Rawhides swell after 48 hours in water. While it made for amusing reading, I don't subscribe to all the hokum of juices, enzymes, hydrochloric acids and motion of the stomach either being the contributing factor that swells cow hide?

What I really find amusing is there are some people out there with very strong opinions on what they're dog will be allowed to eat yet they themselves will eat out in restaurants and even worst they will eat at McDonald's! Haha...
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thanks "Ezekiel" "And I will execute great vengeance on them with furious rebukes.."


fury also swells !

a better version of the experiment would have been to weigh the rawhide , measure the liquid, before, then weigh the rawhide after , then measure the remaining liquid, if any , after .
By the way I do not eat at McDonalds or fast food restuarants. I do have this to say about McDonalds , that you KNOW what you are getting , they take great pains to inform you. The decision after that is yours.
I happen to enjoy finer things , adventures into foreign ethnic food , and cook everything from scratch -- minus the occassionally cheatery thing like boxed soup stock -
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thanks "Ezekiel" "And I will execute great vengeance on them with furious rebukes.."


fury also swells !

a better version of the experiment would have been to weigh the rawhide , measure the liquid, before, then weigh the rawhide after , then measure the remaining liquid, if any , after .
By the way I do not eat at McDonalds or fast food restuarants. I do have this to say about McDonalds , that you KNOW what you are getting , they take great pains to inform you. The decision after that is yours.
I happen to enjoy finer things , adventures into foreign ethnic food , and cook everything from scratch -- minus the occassionally cheatery thing like boxed soup stock -
haha... Thanks for the imput
How cool is that I think I'll change my name to Ezekiel!!

And let me clear up one thing. I do NOT approve feeding your dog anything that you the owner is not ok with. (very political of me huh)
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I don't think that test is equivalent with the digestive process of a dog.
Water is not equivalent to the acids and enzymes in the dog's gut, and I would think it turns into a voluminous slimy substance.
I know many people feed them with no problem, but they scare me.
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Maggie was sitting on my lap eating a piece of rawhide when she started choking. The piece was gummed up and stuck on her back tooth, with the remainer of the piece stuck in that back of her thoat.

BTW, it is very difficult to removed a gummed up piece of rawhide wedged in the back of a small dog's mouth while said dog is in full panic mode.

We don't have any rawhide now.
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absolutely " don't think that test is equivalent with the digestive process of a dog.
Water is not equivalent to the acids and enzymes in the dog's gut, and I would think it turns into a voluminous slimy substance."

a better test would have been to put the piece of rawhide into a container with Coca Cola since the pH is closer to the caustic stomach acids.

maybe I'll do it - means I have to go buy a piece of rawhide and Coke, neither of which are ever on my grocery list.
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I stopped giving rawhide after I had to pull a piece out of my Golden's throat that she was gagging on....and it gets so slimy/gummy when they've been chewing on it that it wasn't easy to get a grip on it... I was lucky that my Golden was always very tolerant of anyone sticking their hands in her mouth because I had to reach all the way to the back of her mouth/throat.
She was always good about only swallowing small pieces, but I think what happened is it got sticky and when she was chewing, it got stuck in her mouth and so she tried to swallow the larger piece.

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How cool is that I think I'll change my name to Ezekiel!!
I know a dog named Ezekiel (Zeke for short). He's a GSP though not a GSD.
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Today I was at a house and the dog there had a big rawhide along with bullysticks, antlers and tons of toys, yes he is over indulged!
He chose the rawhide to chew and I was keeping an eagle eye on him. A 2-3" chunk came off and attached to his back molar. I had to dig it out, after reading this thread today, I was taking no chances! I put the rawhide up and gave him a frozen(peanutbutter/tuna) kong. Odd how he chose that rawhide over all other treats that were available. Here is a pic of Henry(he's only 7 months) can you guess what breed he is?
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