ok so i've been looking for a new "pup" for the family we have a 9 month old GSD and absolutely love her, but were trying to find an additional pup that will fit into our family. And i recently found a "dutch shepherd" pup and ive heard that theres no true breed called that but i guess im mainly just wondering if there a huge difference between the GSD's ive had and this "DS" that i may possibly end up rescuing?
Lots of replies on the Dutch Shepherd. However, I wanted to jump in and say it would be far better to wait until your current dog is an adult before adding another puppy. At 9 months, she deserves your full attention as far as socialization and training goes. A general rule of thumb is it is best not to add another puppy until your current dog is where you want them to be in terms of training and socialization (no major issues or behavioral concerns that need addressed, trustworthy in the house, through all their potentially quirky developmental stages, well trained and reliable at least in terms of general obedience such as comes when called, walks nicely on leash, stays when asked, etc). For most people, this means waiting until your youngest dog is at least two but often closer to four before adding a puppy. If you do not have those thing in place with your current dog, more than likely one or the other of the dogs will not be getting everything they need in terms of training or socialization. When you get a young puppy, your attention for at least the first 6 months has to focus on ensuring the puppy gets everything the puppy needs in terms of socialization, early training, housetraining and teaching the puppy to be a good pet. There is also valid concern about raising two puppies close in age together developing what people call "littermate syndrome", although it isn't limited just to dogs from the same litter. The happens when two closer enough in age puppies become overly bonded to each other, creating their own little "pack". Often when this happens, one dog will become very bold and assertive, even aggressive while the other is shy, fearful and nervous. When dogs are overly bonded to each other, it makes any training much harder to accomplish.
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"Dutch Shepherds and malinois are in essense the same breed. Dutchies are stripy or black malinois that the fci countries would not register. KNVP in Holland doesn't give a rip about registrations (and usually any registration they do, everyone knows is a complete fake, but they can get "papers" on anything you want). The KNVP wants dogs that work, it doesn't care what they are.
While in unregistered working lines, they are considered one breed of different colors they are not really the same breed. In essence or otherwise. Malinois are actually one of four varieties of Belgian Shepherds and Dutch Shepherds are not one of the other varieties
The KNPV lines tend to be a result of crossing multiple breeds with Mals and Dutchies being the most common but those can include other Belgian Shepherds, GSDs, pit bulls or whatever else they feel will add to creating the ultimate working dog. The KNPV dogs are almost like their own breed all together. They're malinois but not Malinois, dutch shepherds but not Dutch Shepherds if that makes sense. They are similar but different to their purebred counterparts.
Like Mrs K I have found myself with an accidental Malinois. Father is from FCI working lines, dam is from KNPV lines. On the dam's side there are Mals, Dutchies and I believe GSDs in the pedigree a few generations back. It could be debated if his dam is a Malinois or not, depending on who you talk to. Some seem to consider the KNPV line dogs the only true Mals or Dutchies, even though they are not generally from pure breedings.
At some point you have to wonder, why are there so many of these awesome dogs in rescue, and poor breeding/inexperienced owners would be top of my list if I were to guess.
This is a topic all on it's own. There are so very many Mals in rescue, more and more all the time. The majority are from working breeders or just a generation or two removed from working breeders. I suspect it is the same with the Dutchies, considering what most people know as Dutchies are from mix lines with Mals and can be born in the same litter. Can you imagine if GSD rescue was always full of mostly dogs from working lines? The biggest issue IMO is because breeding these ultimate working/sport dogs is very much a business for many people involved. They aren't breeding these dogs because they so love the breed, carefully placing puppies in well screened homes and keeping in touch with owners. They are breeding them because they feel these dogs suit their needs the best, some of them admittedly don't even seem to enjoy them as dogs at all. The ones who aren't quite up to par as ultimate sport or police dogs are sold to anyone who has the money, often with no strings attached.
My Mal puppy came from a very much average pet owner who got his dam from a local breeder/importer/trainer of police dogs. According to what his breeder (and I use that term loosely) told me the dam is not a stable dog and is very fear reactive. She got the male from a different breeder and he sounds like a really nice dog. When the male was 9 months old, she decided that she'd try her hand at breeding police dogs. Much to her surprise, there were no takers for the puppies. Go figure, no market to sell puppies from untested, unproven parents, one of which was still a puppy. I got Roust from someone she sold him to, who put him on CL within 48 hours of having him. Free to any home. He has some reactivity issues, although not near as a bad as his dam from what I hear. Once I tracked her down after getting him, I offered to help her place her remaining five then 3 month old puppies. She wasn't interested. Said she didn't care if she just kept them all. I tried to explain the potential issues and even danger of having a pack of untrained, unsocialized Mals but she wouldn't listen. Told me she's always had multiple dogs and never had a problem. Said that even though the puppies never see strangers or leave her property, they aren't undersocialized and Mals just don't like strangers. Then when they were 5 months old, she told me she was sending them to the pound unless I could help her place them. A friend of mine worked out a deal to keep them at the boarding kennel she works at, so we were able to get them into ABMC. Their story is not at all uncommon in the breed unfortunately. Lots of people looking to make money and no one wanting to take responsibility for the dogs long term. I don't have an issue with people making money breeding quality dogs. I do think it's a problem when it's done with so little regard to the well being of the dogs or the impact such things have on the breed as a whole.