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[BlackthornGSD]

Originally Posted by Andaka

Here is an American Show Line dog:

Ch. Andaka-Zederland's U R It CD RAE2 TC OFA HECT Cerf





Sorry, no video.

At full extension, shouldn't the dog be "flying"?

I think that this dog has more rear angulation than front, which prevents him from having that period of suspension at the moment of being outstretched. Also, it looks like it lifts his front end a bit so it's not near the ground. Totally not sure of myself on this point, so consider this more a question than a statement!

Now I'm going to have to go watch that video again!

[robinhuerta]

Christine...because the dog is "leashed" and not free to gait...you will not get a *complete* picture of extension (this goes for any dog) especially if the dog in movement is not going at a faster speed.
In the AKC rings...there is not much room...nor do they run at the speed (fast run) as the SV shows.

Let me find a picture of more extension....but again....no dog is perfect.
gimmi a sec...

[BlackthornGSD]

Originally Posted by wildo

The point of overlaying the illustration over the stacked photo was to get a visual of where the humerus lay, and to indicate if it was too short or not. The goal was not to point out anything about the scapula. I do feel that the illustration (which, while opinion, is drawn based on criteria outlined in the standard- which should not be considered opinion) properly represents the placement and length of the lower arm bones. So if the scapula needs to go up in order to meet the proper location in the real dog, then either the humerus needs to be longer, or the scapula-humerus angle needs to increase beyond 90-95 degrees.
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[EDIT]- Correction. I guess the breed standard does indicate that the scapula-humerus angle is permissible up to 110 degrees. I suppose if you raised up the scapula in the illustration (opening the shoulder angle) you would be able to leave all bone lengths equal. So perhaps it is not that the humerus is short, but that the scapula-humerus angle is obtuse.

I think the point of elbow on the illustration also is somewhat off from the image.

We have to remember that the illustrations are static "best guesses" -- and to a certain degree, the "proof is in the pudding" -- that is if the dog's movement is correct but doesn't match the illustration, I would think that the illustration is wrong. The illustration is done from life to try to represent what we think will be the ideal skeletal construction--but skeletons, especially the shoulder, are not static. So if the movement is right, it's more likely, IMO, that the illustration is wrong than vice versa.

[robinhuerta]

Since I won't offer up another person's dog as an example for this....
Here are a couple of mine...


*This is Ivan in a "walk" around the Conformation ring......head up (looking for owner). His drive in the back is very good.....he can use a little better reach in the front.....


*This is Luca starting a "fast run" around the Conformation ring. Her reach is actually very nice, ALTHOUGH restricted with a tight leash (as you can see at the neck and shoulder area), so her foot is slightly raised........her rear drive can be slightly better (than pictured).....due to her being close in the rear.

My computer takes forever to load pics.....so these are the only ones I had a chance to load for now.

[Andaka]

Ch. Andaka-Zederland's This Kiss HSAs RE OFA

[Andaka]

Originally Posted by robinhuerta

Daphne...nice dog! I like him!...but i think I responded to liking him in another thread too!

Thanks, Robin.

[carmspack]

This is a good one Redirect Notice

[carmspack]

This is a good one - Eko-lans Shiloh CH Eko-Lan's Shiloh - German Shepherd Dog

Fred Migliorie had some nice balance , beautiful fronts on his dogs .

Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

[carmspack]

have not forgotten this folder -- going through 1980 German Shepherd League of Great Britain handbook I saw a head shot of Orsof vom Busecker Schloss -- such a keen expression -- checked pedigree data base , no body shot of him but what a pedigree Orsof von Busecker Schloss - German Shepherd Dog

I don't know what Orsof looks like but I will add his sire Pollux Busecker Schloss to the folder as a nice balanced working type conformation -- V Pollux vom Busecker Schloß - German Shepherd Dog

Carmen
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[Andaka]

Originally Posted by BlackthornGSD

At full extension, shouldn't the dog be "flying"?

I think that this dog has more rear angulation than front, which prevents him from having that period of suspension at the moment of being outstretched. Also, it looks like it lifts his front end a bit so it's not near the ground. Totally not sure of myself on this point, so consider this more a question than a statement!

Now I'm going to have to go watch that video again!

This is Ch. Tag we are talking about, right?

Actually he is pulling on the leash, which tends to lift his front up. That makes him appear to have more rear than front as he drives into the tight leash.