ceaser and victoria stillwell O.o

shilorio · 08-31-2010, 01:27 AM

sooo! this has probally been posted before! but what do you think of these two trainers?? cesar millan and victoria stilwell? some people agree with them and others dont, what are your poinions, and why? what dont you like and what do you like?

thanks

paulag1955 · 08-31-2010, 01:30 AM

My dad loves Victoria Stillwell, but I think it has to do with the black leather.

Korubell · 08-31-2010, 01:33 AM

Victoria I like lotsly. Caesar not so much, mostly because he condones the use of a high-riding double collar designed by his wife. The method is aversive rather than gentling. The collar sits high on the neck and can cut across the delicate area behind/under the dog's ears. I'm not fond of aversive methods.

selzer · 08-31-2010, 01:37 AM

I prefer Victoria Stillwell over Ceasar Millan.

Victoria comes from England and used to be anti crate, etc. Since she has been in America, I have seen her suggest a crate. But that is such a tiny part of the whole thing. I think Victoria tries to find techniques that will work with the totally insane people she is working with, and those techniques continue to be positive.

Ceasar Millan was an illegal alien, and started out as groomer. Where he comes from, dogs were dogs and people were people. True. Dogs lived outside and new their place. He also deals with the dregs of society and their totally wacked out dogs. I disagree with some of what he does. I have seen him deal with some seriously aggressive dogs, and some of them he just has to keep because they may be ok with him, but they are unable to be put back with the family. His motto is basically, exercise the poop out of them, project your confidence and energy, and rule the universe often putting dogs together and then making them lie on their side with the dogs they are afraid of.

I find this unreasonable.

I read both of their books, and in both are gems and in both are huey. I think Victoria buys into the speuter crap too much. If you are writing a book about training, stick to training and leave the political speuter crap out of it. Ceasar's book is inspirational in that it is a rags to riches story, but much of what he says, treat dogs like dogs, and exercise them, is just common sense.

I actually like Patricia McConnel better than either of these, but she does not have a TV show.

paulag1955 · 08-31-2010, 01:42 AM

What do you mean by speuter?

shadow mum · 08-31-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by paulag1955

What do you mean by speuter?

She means Spay / Neuter. (short form = speuter.)

ChristenHolden · 08-31-2010, 01:46 AM

I like them both but I'm one of the few that likes ceaser. Haven't watched victoria in a long time. I'm far from perfact but I try his ways a lot and so far all my dogs live peacfully as a pack. As soon as they start to bow up to eachother or growl over a treat/toy they get the EEEEEEhhhh soud and I take the toy away. Its worked for 5+ yrs. So far.

shilorio · 08-31-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by paulag1955

What do you mean by speuter?

thats what i was thinkin, haha i like victoria more, than ceaser personally, but i would have to go with leslie mcdevitt,, her book is what changed my dogs

but i love watching victoria!! i watch her show every day lol

shilorio · 08-31-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristenHolden

I like them both but I'm one of the few that likes ceaser. Haven't watched victoria in a long time. I'm far from perfact but I try his ways a lot and so far all my dogs live peacfully as a pack. As soon as they start to bow up to eachother or growl over a treat/toy they get the EEEEEEhhhh soud and I take the toy away. Its worked for 5+ yrs. So far.

i tryed the ceasar stuff and none worked for me! i dont think the belly role thing or submission works, i dont like the whole submission thing one bit, thats where i like victoria, shes all positive, and ceaser is a little ruff, the side pokeing thing never worked for me either, my dogs know whos boss but they dont submissivly roll over if i look at them cross eyed lol

selzer · 08-31-2010, 01:52 AM

I do think that if you do not agree with something, alpha rolls, domination, shock collars, prong collars, choke chains, crates, etc. etc etc, I think that making that thing work for you is an uphill battle.

08-31-2010, 01:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
shilorio Master Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lynnwood Posts: 752	ceaser and victoria stillwell O.o sooo! this has probally been posted before! but what do you think of these two trainers?? cesar millan and victoria stilwell? some people agree with them and others dont, what are your poinions, and why? what dont you like and what do you like? thanks __________________ "my goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am" "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail.."

08-31-2010, 01:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
paulag1955 Knighted Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Western Washington Posts: 2,666	My dad loves Victoria Stillwell, but I think it has to do with the black leather. __________________ Paula Shasta - GSD (4/30/10) RIP Duchess - Shetland Sheepdog (12/25/88 - 2/14/04)

08-31-2010, 01:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 16,685	I prefer Victoria Stillwell over Ceasar Millan. Victoria comes from England and used to be anti crate, etc. Since she has been in America, I have seen her suggest a crate. But that is such a tiny part of the whole thing. I think Victoria tries to find techniques that will work with the totally insane people she is working with, and those techniques continue to be positive. Ceasar Millan was an illegal alien, and started out as groomer. Where he comes from, dogs were dogs and people were people. True. Dogs lived outside and new their place. He also deals with the dregs of society and their totally wacked out dogs. I disagree with some of what he does. I have seen him deal with some seriously aggressive dogs, and some of them he just has to keep because they may be ok with him, but they are unable to be put back with the family. His motto is basically, exercise the poop out of them, project your confidence and energy, and rule the universe often putting dogs together and then making them lie on their side with the dogs they are afraid of. I find this unreasonable. I read both of their books, and in both are gems and in both are huey. I think Victoria buys into the speuter crap too much. If you are writing a book about training, stick to training and leave the political speuter crap out of it. Ceasar's book is inspirational in that it is a rags to riches story, but much of what he says, treat dogs like dogs, and exercise them, is just common sense. I actually like Patricia McConnel better than either of these, but she does not have a TV show. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

08-31-2010, 01:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
paulag1955 Knighted Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Western Washington Posts: 2,666	What do you mean by speuter? __________________ Paula Shasta - GSD (4/30/10) RIP Duchess - Shetland Sheepdog (12/25/88 - 2/14/04)

08-31-2010, 01:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
ChristenHolden Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Eastern, Oklahoma, USA Posts: 1,255	I like them both but I'm one of the few that likes ceaser. Haven't watched victoria in a long time. I'm far from perfact but I try his ways a lot and so far all my dogs live peacfully as a pack. As soon as they start to bow up to eachother or growl over a treat/toy they get the EEEEEEhhhh soud and I take the toy away. Its worked for 5+ yrs. So far. __________________ ~Christen BELLA~GSD BATISTA~SHAR PEI BANDIT~CHI/YORKIE GABE~RAT TERRIE/CORGIE ANGLE~RAT TERRIER/CORGIE PEPPER~RAT TERRIER HONEY~CHIHUHUHA RUSTY~PAPILLION OLIVER~MUTT CHEWIE~POM MIX Levi~PAP/CHI Champ~PAP/CHI 11 CATS 1 TURTLE~

08-31-2010, 01:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Korubell Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 48	Victoria I like lotsly. Caesar not so much, mostly because he condones the use of a high-riding double collar designed by his wife. The method is aversive rather than gentling. The collar sits high on the neck and can cut across the delicate area behind/under the dog's ears. I'm not fond of aversive methods.

08-31-2010, 01:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 16,685	I do think that if you do not agree with something, alpha rolls, domination, shock collars, prong collars, choke chains, crates, etc. etc etc, I think that making that thing work for you is an uphill battle. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

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