Giant German Shepherds - Page 5

AbbyK9 · 07-27-2010, 01:54 AM

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Eva is nearly 2 1/2 and is a long-hair full-coat registered GSD from German and Czech working lines.

I am looking at the two photos you've posted of Eva's dam and sire, and then back at your statement that she is from German and Czech working lines, and I am having a very hard time putting the two together. The dogs pictured don't look anything like working lines, German or Czech.

Working line dogs are supposed to meet the breed standard just like show line dogs are supposed to meet the breed standard. Many show line dogs fall short in terms of working ability and temperament, and many working line dogs fall ... well, not short ... but outside the standard due to being over the height standard (though generally by two or three inches).

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But then again, look what the American showlines have done to dogs and still suits the breed standard.

Those dogs don't meet the breed standard, either. The standard is pretty clear in what the dog should be like, what the gait and angulation should be like. It's more like "popular trends in defying the standard" than meeting the standard.

ElvisP · 07-27-2010, 02:26 AM

I had an encounter at a lake in Arizona this past weekend. I was walking Elvis on the lake shoreline and some older people from out of the US came paddling up in the kayak's and loved my Elvis. I told them that he'd probably max out at 90-100 lbs and their remark was "Oh, he is going to be a tiny boy then."

They said they were GSD people. I told them my former GSD, King, was 125 lbs and they stated that he was on the small side too. King was a large boned GSD ... big, lean but very muscular.

These people gave me the impression that they are used to much larger GSD's so it's possible that 150+ lb GSD's do exist. In my life, I have seen one extremely giant GSD ... he had to have weighed in at at least 150-170 lbs (a complete guess but he was huge). I'm sure these dogs exist but that is too big in my opinion for a GSD ... that's my opinion anyway.

P.S. I'm very sorry for your loss.

WolfCrest · 07-27-2010, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by APBTLove

Also, might be King Shepherds, they are not GSDs, but resemble them a lot and are BIG.

they are fairly new, created by mixing GSDs with other breeds for size..

I was thinking this or a shiloh shepherd

blackviolet · 07-27-2010, 05:27 AM

Not only do a lot of people have extremely overweight dogs, they also exaggerate. Just the other day, my brother tried to tell me his GSD's are over 130lbs each.

Mrs.K · 07-27-2010, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eva von Selah

These are her sire and dam.

This is what you call responsible breeding?

Mrs.K · 07-27-2010, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by APBTLove

I'm seen the male online before... He looks a whole lot like a King to me..

EDIT*
I recognized him from his kennel... They even say they breed oversized shepherds... Most likely a king shepherd... Some of the dogs she has pictured on her kennel also look like Shilohs. Beautiful dogs, but not GSDs. One of her studs looks highly mixed with something like a Pyrenees...

Even though they are recognized breeds in the States, to me, personally, they'll be always mutts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Mrs.K · 07-27-2010, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AbbyK9

I am looking at the two photos you've posted of Eva's dam and sire, and then back at your statement that she is from German and Czech working lines, and I am having a very hard time putting the two together. The dogs pictured don't look anything like working lines, German or Czech.

Honestly, I can't believe that any of the two come from German or Czech Working line.

Eva von Selah · 07-27-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs.K

Honestly, I can't believe that any of the two come from German or Czech Working line.

Research Pedigree - 4 Generation
Tritons Boss Selah

Reg Name: Tritons Boss Selah
Reg #: DN081344/01 Breed/Variety: German Shepherd Dog
Birth Date: 01/01/2004 Sex: Male
Colors/Markings: White
Breeder(s): Tina Kuzniacki
Tritons Boss Selah
DN081344/01
White Emillio
DN044590/01 03-04 (Canada)
Black & Tan Parkins Aero
CKC BN093365 Bandellero's "M.A.S.H."
CKC WE780279 CH Bethesda's Tacoma Of Si-Don CD
D350561 02-87
Black & Tan
OFA53F OFEL53
Bandellero Star Of Nordlicht
D118314
Black & Tan
Marwades Shadow
CKC YL025332 Nike Clayfield Heritage
D704950 06-92
Black & Tan
Your Our Sunshine Of Marwade
CKC QJ685465
Ole O's Wyona
CKC BE102261 Sunshadows Target
CKC VE728406 Cherry Vom Schienerberg
SZ 1003483
Sunshadows Becca
CKC NE245797
Chricava's Valencia Sunshine
CKC SA466319 Semiahmoo's Gunner
CKC NW286161
Chricava's Melba
CKC NS254268
Legacy's Nika Sioux
DL840642/11 05-02
Black & Red Duke Lionhart Von Hinrichs
DL753567/08 09-00
Sable Ratz Von Haus Antverpa
DL751734/01 11-98 (Belgium)
Sable Mando Von Haus Antverpa
DL512013/01 07-94 (Belgium)
Black & Tan
Daphne Vom Ratzeburger Land
SZ 1733735
Gina Von Lionhart
DL447696/04 01-94
Black & Tan
OFA24G Tiger Vom Schmiedegrundsee
DL424849/01 02-93 (Germany)
Sable
Milly Von Haus Antverpa
DL438082/01 02-93 (Belgium)
Sable
Reigning King's Cheyenne
DL739924/02 11-99
Black & Red Lu-Mar's Austin Texas
DL592534/06 08-96
Black & Red Mar-Sal's Blitzen
DA017953 10-93
Black & Tan
Mar-Sal's Miranda
DL459955/04 10-95
Black & Red
Mar-Sal's Ricarda
DL559395/10 11-96
Black & Red Mar-Sal's John's Rebel
DL336028/01 03-95
Black & Red
Mar-Sal's Lexus
DL444848/01 03-95
Black & Tan

Sire's brief history - I see a lot of CZs in there... same for her dam.

Dainerra · 07-27-2010, 08:01 AM

part of the problem is that most people can't guess weight for *bleep* Rayden is 85, though he did get up to 92 over the winter. As he is getting older, he tends to develop a bit of "fat butt" if I don't keep an eye on him. People routinely assume he weighs 130+.

When I walked he and Freya together, people assumed that she was a puppy. It was impossible to convince them that she weighed 76 and he was 85.
I've met a lot of people over the years who bragged about the size of their dogs. On the occasions that I was able to meet the dogs, they weighed nothing close to what their owners guessed. Average discrepancy was 10 lbs, more if the dog had a thick coat.

Mrs.K · 07-27-2010, 08:03 AM

I found him on Shiloshepherds info. (Tritons Boss Selah)

http://www.shilohshepherds.info/sela...%20results.pdf

Go down the list, you'll find his name on there.

07-27-2010, 02:26 AM	#42 (permalink)
ElvisP Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 97	I had an encounter at a lake in Arizona this past weekend. I was walking Elvis on the lake shoreline and some older people from out of the US came paddling up in the kayak's and loved my Elvis. I told them that he'd probably max out at 90-100 lbs and their remark was "Oh, he is going to be a tiny boy then." They said they were GSD people. I told them my former GSD, King, was 125 lbs and they stated that he was on the small side too. King was a large boned GSD ... big, lean but very muscular. These people gave me the impression that they are used to much larger GSD's so it's possible that 150+ lb GSD's do exist. In my life, I have seen one extremely giant GSD ... he had to have weighed in at at least 150-170 lbs (a complete guess but he was huge). I'm sure these dogs exist but that is too big in my opinion for a GSD ... that's my opinion anyway. P.S. I'm very sorry for your loss. __________________ Elvis - DOB 4/15/10 RIP: King #2 - 11 1/2 yr old black GSD (1997-2008) RIP: King #1 - 3 yr old GSD/Coyote mix (1993-1996)

07-27-2010, 05:27 AM	#44 (permalink)
blackviolet Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 319	Not only do a lot of people have extremely overweight dogs, they also exaggerate. Just the other day, my brother tried to tell me his GSD's are over 130lbs each. __________________ "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." -Will Rogers

07-27-2010, 08:03 AM	#50 (permalink)
Mrs.K Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,787	I found him on Shiloshepherds info. (Tritons Boss Selah) http://www.shilohshepherds.info/sela...%20results.pdf Go down the list, you'll find his name on there. __________________ www.dog-handler.net Last edited by Mrs.K; 07-27-2010 at 08:05 AM.

07-27-2010, 08:01 AM	#49 (permalink)
Dainerra Crowned Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N. Central Arkansas Posts: 4,306	part of the problem is that most people can't guess weight for bleep Rayden is 85, though he did get up to 92 over the winter. As he is getting older, he tends to develop a bit of "fat butt" if I don't keep an eye on him. People routinely assume he weighs 130+. When I walked he and Freya together, people assumed that she was a puppy. It was impossible to convince them that she weighed 76 and he was 85. I've met a lot of people over the years who bragged about the size of their dogs. On the occasions that I was able to meet the dogs, they weighed nothing close to what their owners guessed. Average discrepancy was 10 lbs, more if the dog had a thick coat.

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