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post #1 of 39 (permalink) Old 01-22-2017, 11:21 PM Thread Starter
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New CZech Shepherd Purchase

I have a brother who just purchased a IPO3 Czech GSD. I have owned and trained mine and have never had an issue. He is new to dogs and purchased one thinking he wouldn't need to train it. It would just be a good house companion because it had so much training. While I have some experience, I thought someone could help me with giving him advice. On a related note, while visiting with the dog the first time, it came right up and was very friendly. When the owner went into the other room, my brother said the dog kinda turned on them and started barking at them. He wasn't sure what that was about. The dog is 3 years old and just had pups 4 weeks ago. The pups were in the room and my brother thought maybe that caused the dog to change it's demeanor?

Here are his questions:

1. If a cleaning lady came over does he need to put the dog in the kennel? (Guessing the answer is always yes, is there anyway to introduce a dog to someone and then the dog will always not freak out when they just walk in?)

2. If In Laws come to town, like the question above, how long before he can trust the inlaws can walk in and out of the house freely?

3. How about babysitters? Once they are introduced, will they be good all around the house?

The breeder is bringing the dog to the house in 4 weeks after it's pups are weaned. Any input would be helpful. Knowing how dog people can be, I probably should say I always had a 6ft fence with a doggie door and and a dog pen. I never thought of these questions, because if I had a stranger coming over when I wasn't there he would be locked away in the back yard. I'm curious to know how long before you can introduce a dog to someone and then the dog doesn't consider them a threat. I also never had a dog with this much training. Is an IPO 3 dog completely safe having gone thru socialization, training, and from good bloodlines.
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Oh boy. This sounds like a not so good situation. It really will come down to the nerves of the dog... and there is some indication that she can be a bit nervous... maybe it is puppies, maybe not. From the get go, with a dog trained to bite and a handler with no training, always keep the dog under control and supervised with new people... ALWAYS. No one will be able to put a time dimension to this without extensive knowledge and experience with THIS dog. Your brother is insane if he thinks he doesn't need to invest in training and work with this dog... and likely it is he that has to learn a lot. I would be very worried about someone who thinks they are buying something that once trained always trained. And absolutely not, a dog with IPO 3 is not somehow inherently safe. Lots of unknowns here and lots of opportunity for extensive liability and for things to go very wrong.

I should add what I would do. I would commit myself to investing in extensive training and work with this dog. The only way it becomes safer is if the dog and I have a great relationship and that comes with lots of work and money invested in training. I would get a commitment from the breeder that if things don't work out, he or she will take the dog back. I would ask the breeder who he/she worked with in training for IPO and I would contact that person, that club and get a lot more information about the dogs nerve strength, temperament and needs. I would go slow and not expect the dog to be an automaton but a living breathing animal that needs care and attention to detail. I would ask a lot of myself to give the dog the best opportunity to adjust to a new world without asking it to be a perfect piece of furniture.

Ask your brother if he is really willing to work at this.
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I would always contain a dog, no matter what titles s/he has when strangers are in the home(especially if you are not there to supervise and manage the interactions)
It has everything to do with being fair to the dog.

A 3 year old female that has an IPO3 and a litter of puppies doesn't mean her temperament is solid, nor does it mean it isn't. When there is a litter involved, of course she is in her mothering protection mode.

Once the dog has settled into your brothers home(6 month timeframe usually shows the dog for who they are) and he truly knows her, then those questions may be answered, but I would still crate the dog when strangers are in the house if the dog shows any behaviors that could set her up to fail.

IPO is a sport, it is situational and the training doesn't mean the dog is going to be good to go in all situations, your brother needs to learn how to keep the training up, and his handling skills should be addressed.
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I agree with both of you. When I was doing Schutzhund training, I always admired the people who earned the Sch 3 title. The dogs were always complete gentlemen and loved their owners. I also know how much time the handler and dog spent together to make this a reality. It was a daily lifestyle for most of them. I'm wondering how can you determine the temperament of a high powered dog without truly testing it? Meaning this breeder is out in a small town without a lot of people. I would be interested can I take it to Lowe's, how about unleashed at my local dog park, or in the back yard of my families house with their golden retriever?

Is it very normal to get a money back guarantee if this thing turns into a monster? How long would a guarantee normally be? I'm sure the dog isn't a monster, but how long of a guarantee in case my brother turns him into a monster?
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So the owner of this dog is selling her. My first question is why? My second question is that he is selling her to your brother knowing he has no experience and isn't requiring any training with her?


I agree with what the others have said about learning about her, and his need to get training. I had an aunt move in with me with her Sch3 and Personal Protection Dog. My aunt did not keep up the training, ignoring when the dog ignored her. Very dangerous. I began working with her and she bonded to me. I later inherited her.


Personally, I think your brother may be getting in over his head.
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So the owner of this dog is selling her. My first question is why? My second question is that he is selling her to your brother knowing he has no experience and isn't requiring any training with her?

Personally, I think your brother may be getting in over his head.
I wanted to ask this as well. Not many put a bitch through all that training and trialing and then breed by 3 yrs old just to sell. Especially not knowing how the puppies are turning out. Most good breeders would keep her around at least until they can see the puppies progress, H&E prelims, ect.
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Do you have a pedigree on tis dog? Where is the dog from?
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Can't talk about breeding as all my Pups were 'happy accidents' bar one who was a pup sold to me as pet quality. I had young children at the time and that pup wasn't going to win any competitions but she was an amazing family dog. (If you weren't a vet!) But in answer to your questions.
1. Cleaner - my dogs would be crated, kept away.
2. In laws, extended family. They are all 'disney' parents. Lots of treats, no rules. My dogs used to squeak with excitement when they turned up. But it was awhile before I let them be in charge when I wasn't there.
3. Babysitters - Dogs were always crated, sitters paid to look after my kids not the dog.
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I would always contain a dog, no matter what titles s/he has when strangers are in the home(especially if you are not there to supervise and manage the interactions)
It has everything to do with being fair to the dog.

A 3 year old female that has an IPO3 and a litter of puppies doesn't mean her temperament is solid, nor does it mean it isn't. When there is a litter involved, of course she is in her mothering protection mode.

Once the dog has settled into your brothers home(6 month timeframe usually shows the dog for who they are) and he truly knows her, then those questions may be answered, but I would still crate the dog when strangers are in the house if the dog shows any behaviors that could set her up to fail.

IPO is a sport, it is situational and the training doesn't mean the dog is going to be good to go in all situations, your brother needs to learn how to keep the training up, and his handling skills should be addressed.
Agreed. Ideally, he will get to his local IPO club and learn how to handle her properly.
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