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post #11 of 39 (permalink) Old 01-23-2017, 07:43 PM
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Oh boy. This sounds like a not so good situation. It really will come down to the nerves of the dog... and the here is some indication that she can be a bit nervous... maybe it is puppies, maybe not. From the get go, with a dog trained to bite and a handler with no training, always keep the dog under control and supervised with new people... ALWAYS. No one will be able to put a time dimension to this without extensive knowledge and experience with THIS dog. Your brother is insane if he thinks he doesn't need to invest in training and work with this dog... and likely it is he that has to learn a lot. I would be very worried about someone who thinks they are buying something that once trained always trained. And absolutely not, a dog with IPO 3 is not somehow inherently safe. Lots of unknowns here and lots of opportunity for extensive liability and for things to go very wrong.

I should add what I would do. I would commit myself to investing in extensive training and work with this dog. The only way it becomes safer is if the dog and I have a great relationship and that comes with lots of work and money invested in training. I would get a commitment from the breeder that if things don't work out, he or she will take the dog back. I would ask the breeder who he/she worked with in training for IPO and I would contact that person, that club and get a lot more information about the dogs nerve strength, temperament and needs. I would go slow and not expect the dog to be an automaton but a living breathing animal that needs care and attention to detail. I would ask a lot of myself to give the dog the best opportunity to adjust to a new world without asking it to be a perfect piece of furniture.

Ask your brother if he is really willing to work at this.
Outstanding advice. I'd also ask your brother why he thinks he needs an IPO III?
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Another thing to consider about a Czech dog's is that they tend to be a little lower in prey drive but higher in defense. All of which suggests a need for a more experienced handler. The dog may show more sharpness than we might expect to see in a West German dog. Not ideal for a rookie.

This whole thing is much more complex than 'is an IPO dog completely safe'. The simple answer is no.

It just can't be overemphasized how important it is for your brother to get with an experienced IPO trainer.

And DutchKarin is asking exactly the right question--why are they selling her?
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is the dog truly an IPO dog? Are there papers that show this? Are there tattoos to identify the dog (ears, abdomen)? I know in some European countries they still do this.
It all sounds very strange to me.
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He thought he needed an IPO 3 dog because it would be a stable dog that would be turn key ready. He is thinking the dog would be able to be taken anywhere without any issues. His dream is to be able to take a dog off leash and go jogging, take him to the public beach and throw sticks, go into some public dog friendly restaurants and have the dog lay by his side, etc.. He isn't concerned about protection, he just wants a great family dog that is very well trained. He probably should get a golden but loves the looks of the GSD.

Another piece of history I learned last night. The breeder brought this dog over from Czech about 90 days ago. It was pregnant when he bought her. Now the dog had pups 4 weeks ago. So the breeder has only known this dog for a short period of time. I wonder what that means if anything?

In terms of paperwork, the breeder has tons of it. Going back like 8 generations in the past.

I thought a breeder selling to an inexperienced handler was questionable. However, I called 3 different breeders who had IPO3 dogs I found online and they were all very willing to sell their champ. I told them I was inexperienced and just doing some shopping looking for a great family dog. So I can't blame the breeder for trying to make a living.
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Do you have a pedigree on tis dog? Where is the dog from?
I personally haven't seen the dog or the papers. My brother says the dog was imported from Czech about 90 days ago. He also said the breeder has tons of paperwork showing the ancestory of the dog and his awards.
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Agreed. Ideally, he will get to his local IPO club and learn how to handle her properly.
He lives about 3 hours away from the nearest IPO club. From my limited experience with IPO clubs, if you aren't in it to win it, they ignore you for the most part. I'm going to have him contact the club and see if they have monthly training sessions. I could see him doing that. I don't see him signing up to do the Wednesday / Weekend routine on a routine basis.

He mentioned doing some Petco advanced training, which I thought was hilarious at first. I mean any training is good I suppose, but that would be like taking a NASCAR race car to a go cart track I would think.

So if you don't have an IPO club that is somewhat convenient, are they other options or clubs to research?
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The pups are only 4 weeks old? Where are they? They should be with their mother for at least another 4 weeks. If not, the situation is fishy to say the least.
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The pups are only 4 weeks old? Where are they? They should be with their mother for at least another 4 weeks. If not, the situation is fishy to say the least.

It sounds like Mom is still with the pups and won't be delivered until they're weaned. Hopefully it gives OP's brother enough time to really think this through.
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The pups are only 4 weeks old? Where are they? They should be with their mother for at least another 4 weeks. If not, the situation is fishy to say the least.
The pups are with their mother. The dog will not be available for another 4 weeks after the pups are weaned. Reading my prior posts I can see the confusion.

The breeder wanted to buy a dog to breed. So the breeder bought the dog from Czech about 90 days ago. When he bought her, he had her knocked up by some Czech champion. So when she arrived in the states she was already pregnant. Now the dog has had it's pups about 4 weeks ago. My brother was referred to this breeder by a friend this past week. My brother went and looked at the dog and bought it. Now he will take actual possession of the adult female gsd in about 4 weeks after she has weaned her pups. Hope this helps.

Guess I'll have him ask the breeder this question: Why did you buy the dog in the first place? Did you buy it to breed? Or did you buy it to sell and thought might as well get it knocked up and sell the pups to help offset the purchase of the czech dog? Or did you buy it to breed and think there is something wrong with the dog?
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Sounds sad to me. I am sorry for the dog being handled like some sort of commodity for profit it sounds like. Who else would sell this dog to a novice who is looking for a pet dog? Shame on the owner of the female dog for not selling her to someone who can handle her. It is setting up for disaster for the new owner and the dog.
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