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So what I've learned so far is; working lines = difficult dog to train, strong willed type. It sounds like It takes a calm collected trainer to train WL's.
Is there working line dogs that can be easy going, calm, not hard headed in training, yet turn the switch on when needed?
There can be working line dogs like that, but it's not what most are bred for. You would have to ask on the forum if anyone knows a breeder who breeds that type of dog. Mine is supppsed to be medium drive, but his is much drivier than the WGSLs I know. Compared to the highest drive dos, he is calmer and easier, but it's still challenging.
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So what I've learned so far is; working lines = difficult dog to train, strong willed type. .
No. My working line is very easy to train and wants to please. Some can be harder and some can be like mine. It's about the individual breeding. You will find this in all lines.


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Is there working line dogs that can be easy going, calm, not hard headed in training, yet turn the switch on when needed?
YES!!

You seem to be looking and want to learn. The best way to find the answers to your questions is go to a club and start watching the dogs. Look at some training seminars and go watch some methods. Where are you located at?
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I would say a German Shepherd dog is not a breed for a beginner. Be able to commit to an hour of training a day for the first year. at least It is not a goldendoodle or a pug.
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No. My working line is very easy to train and wants to please. Some can be harder and some can be like mine. It's about the individual breeding. You will find this in all lines.




YES!!

You seem to be looking and want to learn. The best way to find the answers to your questions is go to a club and start watching the dogs. Look at some training seminars and go watch some methods. Where are you located at?
Thanks for the advice I have never been to a club or seminar but would love to start doing that since what I've currently learned is online and its probably not the same? youtube videos, Michael Ellis and others.
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I would say a German Shepherd dog is not a breed for a beginner. Be able to commit to an hour of training a day for the first year. at least It is not a goldendoodle or a pug.
I have two german shepherds, they are 4, and 5 years old. They are my first dogs ever, Initially training the first one was ok, not hard, then we added a second one and I did struggle a bit to train them both just for obedience due to lack of knowledge and training two dogs at once is hard, initially 15 minutes a day everyday.

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I would say a German Shepherd dog is not a breed for a beginner. Be able to commit to an hour of training a day for the first year. at least It is not a goldendoodle or a pug.
I don't know of any dog that can handle being trained for an hour at a time.

A GSD can be a fine first time owner's dog. It's just a matter of getting the right dog from the right breeder. My adopted girl, Lexi, could be handled by a six year old.

My suggestion would be that the OP look at the WGSL. Find a responsible breeder who does health clearances, OFA hips and elbows, DM, etc. Tell the breeder exactly the kind of dog you want, how much time you can commit to training and let the breeder choose the pup.

Training is a must for the GSD, they were bred to work closely with a human shepherd. Two ten minute sessions daily will get you a nicely behaved dog.
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No. It's not the same. You can get a much better feel watching the dogs and asking questions




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So what I've learned so far is; working lines = difficult dog to train, strong willed type. It sounds like It takes a calm collected trainer to train WL's.
Is there working line dogs that can be easy going, calm, not hard headed in training, yet turn the switch on when needed?
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This would not be an accurate statement.

Yes, there are working line dogs that are easy to train with an on / off switch.

A calm, collected trainer will do best when training any dog, not just WL dogs.
To me, strong willed doesn't necessarily equate to difficult to train. Halo is intense, extremely opinionated, and yet also very focused. She is smart, clever, devious, determined, but also cuddly and affectionate. I would not call her calm or easy going. She's my first WL shepherd after having 2 American line and 2 WGSL dogs, and while she was certainly challenging when younger because I didn't really know what to do with her drives, she was also the star of all of her obedience classes. The instructor in our puppy classes used her as the demo dog several times, and we were frequently pointed out to the other people in her classes as the example to watch because she was almost always way ahead of all the other dogs. If she was bored I could lose her to the environment but as long as I worked to keep her engaged with me, she excelled. She loves to train, and has not been difficult to train since she's easily motivated by either food or play. Which is not to say she's perfect, by any means.....

Halo also has an excellent off switch. My husband and I were both on our computers one weekend and I came out to find her snuggled into my couch throw:



At flyball practice and tournaments she waits quietly and calmly in her crate, but once she's in the ring she's bucking and screaming like a demented chimpanzee. She totally turns it on and turns it off. I like to say she works hard, plays hard, and then sleeps hard. Love her to bits.
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This is what Halo likes to do when she's not keeping the couch warm, lol. That's my teammate racing her because I'd hurt my back box loading at the tournament:


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