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SuperG 05-25-2014 04:33 PM

First time with intact female
 
Over my history of enjoying dogs, I have had 4...the first 3 were all neutered/spayed at an early age. My current bitch will be 2 this upcoming September...so here's my question to those of you who have had spayed/neutered dogs as well as intact dogs/bitches: Are you able to make comparisons between the two as far as behavior, attitude changes, tendencies and other items which you noticed? I understand that just the fact that dogs are different regardless whether they are intact or not enters into this as well. I would rather hear what you have to say first before I express my observations.

Thank you,

SuperG

wolfy dog 05-25-2014 04:56 PM

I once had a Malinois who became aggressive after her spay,probably as a result of an imbalance in her hormones since most of the estrogen is now gone. That makes me reluctant to try that again if I get a female as second dog. Still on the fence on how to solve this.

dogfaeries 05-25-2014 06:45 PM

My 3 GSDs are the only dogs I've ever had that were intact, aside from a very tiny yorkie I had about 25 years ago. I've always just automatically spayed and neutered everything after 6 months old. Now I have show dogs. No one is spayed or neutered.

Carly gets all lovey and smushy when she is in heat, and Sage gets a little grumpy and keeps to herself. That's it for the girls. The rest of the time, they aren't any different than the dogs I've had spayed in the past.

Russell is just Russell. I was worried about having a big intact male in the house, but he's no trouble at all. Though he is currently at his breeder's house while Sage is in heat. We don't want any Sage/Russell ooops puppies! I'm hoping to show that big lug when he is at least 2 years old, maybe 3, but if I don't, I have no intentions of neutering him. There's no reason to as far as I can see.

gsdsar 05-25-2014 06:54 PM

I have had one female that I kept intact for a while. I noticed no behavioral changes with her when in cycle.

My Labrador was spayed as soon as I got her. She was 15 months. I did this because when my teammate went to the kennel to meet her and a few other dogs we were looking at, they would not show her to them. She was soooooo off, when in heat, would not work, was a total pain. But when out if heat, and now spayed, she is a MACHINE!!! An amazing working dog!!!


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SuperG 05-25-2014 07:47 PM

I thank you all for your observations....

The " heat " portion of her estrus has yielded a lovey dovey version...so much that my bro in law, wishes she was in heat all year.....

Wolfy dog..I appreciate your honesty regarding your reluctance...makes me feel better about keeping my gal the way she is for reasons other than breeding....thanks

dogfaeries..you give a nice perspective of multiple dogs and make my earlier comment regarding all dogs are different regardless whether they are intact or not.....have some validity, I guess....seems obvious though but still nice to hear from others...appreciate the input.

gsdar...of course you give the tempering to the notion that spaying might diminish qualities of a particular dog...I agree..seen to many great performing dogs which were neutered/spayed....thanks.

But her is where I was more curious....beside the heat cycle....do you think an intact bitch exhibits the same behavior as a spayed female? Do you sense that the hormonal differences between the two might make create subtle behavior changes between the two?

Should have started with this....hypothetical...you have identical twin females....everything remains consistent excepting one is spayed...no answer is right or wrong...what might you suggest would be the difference between the two regarding any aspect you choose to compare?

Thanks again,

SuperG

Freestep 05-25-2014 09:46 PM

I have had a lot of female GSDs, and suffered through 1-2 years intact with each. With some, you won't necessarily notice a difference in behavior. Some will get lovey-dovey, others will get aggressive toward other females, some will get moody. I'm not a breeder, so I try to get my bitches spayed as soon as I can after physical maturity.

The ones that were aggressive during their season, ceased being aggressive after being spayed.

pets4life 06-07-2014 11:11 AM

I found mine got more moody after spay.

MaggieRoseLee 06-08-2014 10:49 AM

My females generally seemed the same after the spay. My one female that is 'softer' and less bold actually became more confident and sure of herself AFTER the spay.

Mikelia 06-08-2014 02:30 PM

I can't say I've ever noticed a difference in them, aside from when they are in heat. My one female was spayed at 6 years old and she didn't change a bit - she was severely dog aggressive and sound sensitive before and after the spay. A female I have now was close to two years old when she was spayed and she is the same dog. Eats a little less food but otherwise no change. And I have a female who was spayed when I got her and I don't imagine she'd be any different if she was intact.

Jennece 06-13-2014 06:40 PM

I've had German Shepherds all my life. I have owned females that I spayed for retirement and our current female was spayed at 18 months of age. I noticed no difference in any of my dogs. Our current dog is my son's service dog........make a difference? Maybe since she is constantly in the public and has had tons of exposure, conditioning and training. Maybe it just depends on each dog's personality, maybe bloodlines make a difference as well. I do know that not dealing with roaming males and nasty heat cycles is a definite plus!!! Especially with a female inside dog. Ugh, messy!!!

Hope this helps!!


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