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kakarot 05-04-2014 10:50 PM

Won't stop tail chasing.
 
At first it was cute.. until I heard it can be hurtful to them in the long run so I've been trying to get him to quit chasing his tail. He has TONS of things to play with, we play with him all the time, but the times we have him out and we're not playing with him, he'll chase his tail. I tell him no like 4-10 times a day just for tail chasing alone and I give him something to play with, but he always resorts to chasing his tail eventually.

Baillif 05-04-2014 11:01 PM

Mark with a no and then punish it everytime you see it.

Liz&Anna 05-04-2014 11:34 PM

Man- he could be doing it because he's bored and its getting tour attention, I second adding the correction, how old is your dog though? I know someone who has a working line shepherd that actually had to have the tail docked because of obsessive tail chasing :/


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Baillif 05-04-2014 11:40 PM

Which probably easily could have been averted if they just punished it before it came to that.

kakarot 05-04-2014 11:57 PM

When I tell him no, he stops.. for a few minutes. I'm not sure how to 'punish' a dog. If I put him in the crate for a few minutes, he'll chase his tail in there. I've seent it, I've seent it. He's a stubborn butthole who likes to chase his tail.

Is spraying that icky tasting stuff on his tail an option? Hahah. I don't want to think about chopping his tail off. GSD's have awesome tails, so.. :(

Baillif 05-05-2014 12:07 AM

One of these days I'm going to open a school that teaches nothing but how to positive punish dogs. Throw a pillow at him, hit him with a flip flop, or give him a little kick. A no isn't a no without an unpleasant consequence.

Liz&Anna 05-05-2014 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kakarot (Post 5472186)
When I tell him no, he stops.. for a few minutes. I'm not sure how to 'punish' a dog. If I put him in the crate for a few minutes, he'll chase his tail in there. I've seent it, I've seent it. He's a stubborn butthole who likes to chase his tail.

Is spraying that icky tasting stuff on his tail an option? Hahah. I don't want to think about chopping his tail off. GSD's have awesome tails, so.. :(

How old is your dog? I didn't start really correcting Anna until she was 5 months BUT Anna is no normal dog.... On a normal dog I.. I dunno I wouldn't be to harsh on a pup, but if it were my dog (knowing that my dog knows down and knows stay or "place" ) I would keep the dog leashed while inside or while I was home with a pinch collar and if he or she chased its tail I would pop with the collar and put the dog in "place". if the dog can't handle "free time" then start adding something constructive to what it's doing by giving it a mark and ha if it stay, maybe give an awesome bone to chew while in this designated spot?


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BowWowMeow 05-05-2014 01:46 AM

Tail chasing is an OCD behavior. Gsds are prone to them. Corrections/punishment (negative attention) reinforce the behavior and may make it worse.

This article lays out OCD in dogs and steps to eradicate the behavior.
Help for OCD Dogs - Whole Dog Journal Article

Baillif 05-05-2014 07:18 AM

It specifically said attention it never said anything about punishment or corrections.

Punishment in terms of operant conditioning is key to making that behavior go extinct. That's actual physical punishment. Not yelling no with no consequences, not giving an evil eye, and certainly not following some insanely silly counter conditioning protocol which i guarantee you is 100% unproven and has never yielded perfect results in anything but the most mild cases.

Baillif 05-05-2014 07:41 AM

Also punishment by definition can't be reinforcing or it wouldn't be punishment so there is that too


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