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SouthPaw145 12-30-2013 03:14 AM

Wolf Hybrid
 
So i'm strongly considering getting a wolf hybrid puppy. To start you off with some basic information, the breeder claims that the puppies (5 weeks old) are 86%... i would imagine this would qualify as high content.

Information about me:
I'm 24, i am a grad student, and most of the classes that i take are online and so i have a lot of time to dedicate to having a dog.

I have grown up with dogs all my life and my most recent dog is a weimaraner (5 years old, but still very puppy-like). I did a phenomenal job with training her, she is highly intelligent, very affectionate, and very obedient and loyal. I am most definitely the alpha male and i constantly make sure that that is never called into question.

It should be noted that i intend to get a female, with the understanding that they are naturally less aggressive and more submissive.

I live in a single family household with a relatively small backyard, id say about 60 feet by 60 feet. But i run about 3-4 miles every day on some woodland trails that are nearby, so i figure exercise could probably be met that way.

One of my biggest questions is, is the training of the wolf hybrid going to be anything that is extraordinarily more difficult than training my Weimaraner? Will I experience too many problems if i go to great lengths to socialize her and keep her in nearly daily interaction with other people (family, friends, roommates)?

A lot of what i read about when i research the temperament of this breed is mixed messages. You get people who say..."nah you can't have a wild animal like that and expect it to be trained and obedient, they will always refer to their instincts." And then you get people who say "This does is the sweetest dog ive ever had and it has never harmed a fly...etc etc."

Can i expect this dog to become a loyal companion? Im not so fearful about the potential downside to the dog as i am of its potential behavior around other people. I'm confident that i can assert myself as the alpha of the pack.

Someone please lay this out for me free of opinion. Im just looking for the facts. If its not too much harder than training and conditioning a will-full dog, and can be a loyal and affectionate companion, then i am interested.

If its something that is likely to get me into a lot of trouble and will be uncontrollable eventually, despite my effort to effectively train it, then perhaps i am not.

I appreciate the help guys!

Muskeg 12-30-2013 03:21 AM

Read "Part Wild" by Ceiridwen Terrill. That will tell you all you need to know.

David Taggart 12-30-2013 06:12 AM

Do you want to walk alone and never meet other dogs? Hundreds of programmes had failed: Ttheir behaviour is absolutely unpredictable, from very fearful to extremely agressive. This hybrid - is a breeding GSD backwards.
Wolfdog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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carmspack 12-30-2013 07:49 AM

how does one get 86% ??

Part Wild is an excellent book which I have recommended many times.

this "alpha" thing -- do yourself a favour and read this book by Wilde . read the few pages offered on the site's "look inside" feature .
Recommended by Ian Dunbar , and behavioural specialists from Indiana's Wolf Park.
At the very very least skim down to the section of alpha concept, which most interpret as some crude linear dictatorial rank power struggle . That can get you into one heap of trouble . Danger to yourself , and the creature , which may be so messed up that it ends up in a rehab centre or worse , life ended abruptly.
The relationship needs to be co-operative and communicative .
I added this book and Wilde's Living with Wolfdogs to my library , a Christmas gift that I have not had the chance to enjoy yet.
Years ago attended seminars given by Wolf Park behavioural specialist and founder Klinghammer , and by behavioural specialists from the University of Guelph Wolf Park

we have had many threads on the forum dealing with hybrids and breeds set out on a formula of wolf gene integration - Czech Wof dogs or Vlcak.

Do your research first - be fully informed.


I do not ever intend to own a wolf dog of any sort.

We've had many thread

blackshep 12-30-2013 08:43 AM

Why a wolf hybrid?


I think people who breed wolf hybrids are highly unethical.

Wolf hybrids are one of the worst 'breeds' for mauling children, BTW. They tend to be absolutely horrible to house break, are destructive, are escape artists, hard to train.

Because some may take more after the dog side more, or in some the wolf side, it's hard to know what you are going to get, a wolf or a dog.

carmspack 12-30-2013 08:53 AM

wonder what the canine contributor was?
poodle, golden retriever , Rottweiler , border collie , gsd?

claims to higher wolf % = higher $$$'s

OP says " and so i have a lot of time to dedicate to having a dog."

That's great! a wolf-dog and a dog are not the same thing at all.

OP said "I did a phenomenal job with training her, she is highly intelligent, very affectionate, and very obedient and loyal"

Terrific ! why not challenge yourself , and have your training skills put to the test by trialing . The phenomenal job training means what?

blackshep 12-30-2013 09:05 AM

Probably Husky or Malamute, I would guess. I think that's what they normally cross them with to keep them looking wolf-like.

It's every bit as ridiculous to expect a wolf or wolf hybrid to behave like a domesticated dog, as it is to expect a Tiger to behave like a house cat. They are wild animals.

I think it's cruel. The odds of you giving that animal what it needs to be happy in terms of satisfying its natural instincts and exercise requirements are next to impossible.

martemchik 12-30-2013 09:14 AM

There was a member here that claimed to have gotten two hybrid pups within a very short time. Their plan was to kind of document/blog their growth and get answers to any issues that might come up. They haven't posted on here in a very long time though...

The information about wolf-hybrids is very questionable. From what that poster said about them was that its less about the high content, and more about how many generations removed from the wild the "wolf part" is. So...you can have a very high content hybrid, but if the wolf used is a 5th generation captive wolf...its on its way to being a dog and is much less wild than having a 50% wolf hybrid with the "wolf part" being from the wild.

On top of all that, you can't trust hybrid "breeders." Many people don't know (there aren't pedigrees) the truth of what their dog is. Some get told its a wolf hybrid and its actually a GSD/Malamute/Husky that ends up looking like it could be a hybrid. That dog...would turn out to be a great dog (family wise), but from what I've read, a true wolf-hybrid is generally never a good animal to keep captive inside the house. I've heard stories that the dog only bonds to its immediate family and doesn't like anyone else, I've heard stories that they're very skittish and will run away from many people (wolves tend to run away from people rather than confront them in the wild). So its really hard to really gauge what is true and what isn't. Who has a real hybrid and who doesn't? Sadly...most people that have them are the "macho" look at how bad my dog is and I'm an awesome trainer because I can train a wolf...so they'll never admit to any failure, any issues, or if their dog is possibly not a hybrid at all.

Personally, I don't get why anyone would want one. You also need to look up the laws in your area and see if they're even allowed. Take a look at "Nova: Dogs Decoded" and see how different a wolf pup and dog pup are. There was a very interesting experiment performed in that video and really shows the difference between the domesticated dog and the wild wolf.

I'll stress this...just because our breed (GSD) looks a lot like a wolf...it isn't. No one on here will ever tell you their dog is the closest thing to a wolf out there. I don't think anyone here would tell you to get a hybrid and they know that they really can't give advice on how to raise one/work through problems because our breed is nothing like a wolf. Truthfully...its probably the most apart from a wolf due the fact that they are so trainable, biddable, and look to people for direction.

pwillow 12-30-2013 09:15 AM

This is the only thing that worries me "I live in a single family household with a relatively small backyard"

I mean yeah you go out running but the dog is going to live for a long time. Will you always take online classes, probably not. At some point we have to consider getting a job. Also you go running but accidents happen. For instance when I had a back injury (and I'm only 25) this was something unforeseeable especially since I am fit- but it happened, and then my dogs and I both had to adjust. Luckily there was someone there to help them and take them out, but they had a big backyard to go out to. If something happened to you where you couldn't run everyday (or walk 5 steps in my case) even if you had someone around to help let the dog out, he wouldn't have much to go out to. I'm not trying to be extreme but it's always good to think of worst case scenarios or issues involving health with such a serious consideration of other life.

Sunflowers 12-30-2013 09:19 AM

Those who say their "wolf hybrid" is the sweetest dog probably have a dog.
Many "breeders" try and dupe potential buyers who are looking for something exotic. And that is probably lucky for the buyer, because what you are looking for, a loyal and affectionate companion who would be ok with your small back yard and content to be your pet, can only be a dog.


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