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GS_ 12-02-2013 06:39 PM

Meeting my mom's dog...
 
Hi all

I have an almost 6 monthís old pup and she is great but Iíve been struggling with something and I would like to hear your ideaís on the matter.
When she was 12 weeks old she ignored other dogs during walks. When she became 4 months she started barking and lunging towards other dogs (sometimes her shackles go up). She does this because she wants to meet and play with other dogs. Almost all schools here do not let puppyís actually play with each other but they are teached to accept and ignore other dogs in their surrounding so that the attention goes only towards to owner. I agree with this so I donít let her meet and play with other dogs (especially when she lunges and barks during walks). She has to learn to accept and ignore other dogs.

BUT

My mother has a 2 year old collie. She is as hyper and friendly as can be. I would like to make an exception with my momís dog because it would be great if they could play together. The problem is Iím scared for letting her meet the collie. Not that she is aggressive or something but she is overly exited especially when seeing other dogs. My mom tried to let her meet and play with a few dogs she met during walks (they put the leash off). Every time the collie showed submissive behavior but the dogs she met were all adult and bigger than her.

Now my question is:

Will the collie scare my 6 month old shepherd because of her overly hyper excitement or because of dominance/aggression? My shepherd weighs more than the collie but she is still a puppy mentally. The last thing I want is that my girl gets traumatized and starts hating other dogs. I tried to let them meet with a fence in between when my girl was 12 weeks. The collie runned like crazy around the fence non stop. When my girl approached the fence the collie started barking and even a quick ďair snapĒ but Iím not sure that was because of her not getting to play with my pup (because of the fence) or because of dominance/aggression.
What do you guys think?

(Sorry if my English is not that good but I tried my best . Iím from Belgium)

Baillif 12-02-2013 06:53 PM

Who knows for sure what will happen? Even if everything went well and they had a blast together it would likely be counter productive to your goal of having a dog that didn't get super hyper and pull for other dogs for play because it would reinforce her desire for it. Up to you really.

boomer11 12-02-2013 06:53 PM

if the collie isnt aggressive with other dogs then just let them play. sometimes my dog will run up to a dog full speed while barking and it looks intimidating but once he gets to them he just sniffs and tries to play. just keep the leash on (not holding it) when they just meet so you can easily separate them if things do get too rough for your liking. and if they seem find with each other then take the leash off. your dog isnt going to be dog aggressive from rough play.

btw your dog barking and lunging while on leash is called leash reactivity. search for that term or for leash reactive in the google search bar above and you'll find lots of threads about it. mine also went through the same thing around 4-5 months of age.

Mr. D 12-02-2013 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 4601881)
Who knows for sure what will happen? Even if everything went well and they had a blast together it would likely be counter productive to your goal of having a dog that didn't get super hyper and pull for other dogs for play because it would reinforce her desire for it. Up to you really.

I agree with this. Mainly because I'm experiencing roughly the same thing. I've let Franklin play with our neighbor's dog when she is out. Now he thinks he's supposed to do this all the time. I'd rather this than him be DA. In hindsight though, I wish I hadn't let them mingle. We were doing so well. I've now taken ten steps back.
At least that's how I feel anyways.

Gretchen 12-02-2013 07:05 PM

I would suggest that you and your mom take your dogs out for a long walk together. Neither of you should be over excited about meeting each other, stay calm and neutral. You can gradually let them smell each other, hopefully by the end of the walk some of their energy will be gone and they will be calm around each other.

Our trainer would not let the dogs meet or play either. As she got older, I realized she needed some social skills, we like to take her everywhere we can. I found a fun social group for German Shepherd owners. Being around her own kind has worked wonders. Now she can play with any breed. The website for the group is at meetup.com. I don't know if you have meetup groups in Belgium, but it might be something to look into.

boomer11 12-02-2013 07:16 PM

if your dog is always wanting to play with other dogs while out with you then that just means your dog thinks your boring and other dogs are more fun. if engagement is done right then your dog should want to choose to play with you over anything else in the universe.

Baillif 12-02-2013 07:33 PM

It's hard to compete with the fun energy of a border collie.

You could always use drive capping kind of stuff to get the dog to focus on you and be calm before being allowed to play with other dogs. Kind of like when you are about to open the crate door and the dog gets super excited but you don't open the door till he settles. You can allow the play, you just have more to deal with more excitement later when trying to cap it.

MadLab 12-03-2013 07:33 AM

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When she was 12 weeks old she ignored other dogs during walks. When she became 4 months she started barking and lunging towards other dogs (sometimes her shackles go up). She does this because she wants to meet and play with other dogs.
Basically you need to develop leash control. Tyler Muto has great videos clips to show you how it can be done.
Tyler Muto - YouTube

Many pups love to meet other dogs. If they are held back incorrectly they want to go forward more.

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I would suggest that you and your mom take your dogs out for a long walk together. Neither of you should be over excited about meeting each other, stay calm and neutral. You can gradually let them smell each other, hopefully by the end of the walk some of their energy will be gone and they will be calm around each other.
I agree with this. I believe dogs do need to interact with other dogs in controlled environments. A walk is a good way to introduce them providing both handlers are in control of their dogs.

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if the collie isnt aggressive with other dogs then just let them play.
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The collie runned like crazy around the fence non stop. When my girl approached the fence the collie started barking and even a quick ďair snapĒ
Generally an air snap is a warning to another dog. Maybe the pup was entering the collies territory and the collie was warning it. I find people can underestimate collies. I've seen them bite other dogs. Introducing through a fence is a bad idea unless there is a person on each side to calm each dog.

pets4life 12-05-2013 10:22 AM

what gretchen said but when you walk dont let them touch noses yet do it side by side


loud barking is not usually as bad as it looks it just upsets other people but the scary times is when 2 dogs meet face to face and both are dead silent staring at each other in the eyes


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