is this what people consider a dog with high defense?

pets4life · 01-12-2013, 07:12 PM

Caucasian Ovcharka: Yukatan Listicka, 19 months old - YouTube

Komondor szuka bátorságpróbája - Barka - YouTube

If i was in trouble I dont think either of these dogs would ever help me out but was thinking about getting some alpacas. Here if we got some would need to eventually have a LGD if I was to let them free range with the amount of coywolves out there.

carmspack · 01-12-2013, 07:27 PM

people that have alpacas (know more than one including person who has award winning fleece herd) use DONKEYS to keep the coyotes away

llombardo · 01-12-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by carmspack

people that have alpacas (know more than one including person who has award winning fleece herd) use DONKEYS to keep the coyotes away

Donkey's?? That is so interesting

RocketDog · 01-12-2013, 07:41 PM

The gal down the road at the horse ranch uses Llamas to keep the coyotes and cougars out. I must say, when I run by there, and they're by the fence, they are quite intimidating, and I don't frighten easily.

Freestep · 01-12-2013, 08:26 PM

A lot of people use LGDs to guard stock, especially in areas where a donkey or llama would be eaten, or in areas where small varmints are the main problem.

And yes, it's purely defense drive. LGDs have been bred for low prey drive.

I don't think it's a good idea to do PP with these dogs. It isn't a game to them, and they aren't obedient the way GSDs are; they're bred to be independent thinkers. Meaning, they have a tendency to make their own judgement calls.

GSDElsa · 01-13-2013, 10:15 AM

I can't for the life of me figure out what they are trying to demonstrate in the second video?

**Castlemaid** · 01-13-2013, 11:30 AM

The title of the second video is "Courage Test" - and in anyone's experienced eyes, the dog failed miserably.

I went on Youtube to read the comments for the second video - they range from (I'm paraphrasing, my Hungarian is getting VERY rusty) : "This is embarrassing, Owner should never have posted this video on-line, reflects very poorly on the breed",

To "Geez - de decoy did everything he could to set up the dog to bite,and still didn't bite!", to: " bet the dog is still under two years old and was intimidated by the helmet and bite suit - would have been a different story if the dog was older and the person had regular clothes on"

To: I'm convinced! There is NO way I would open the gate and walk in with that dog in there!

ShenzisMom · 01-13-2013, 11:56 AM

Pyrs and akbash are dogs I've seen in person and I can't imagine anything getting through them...

Freestep · 01-13-2013, 12:25 PM

My Akbash was people-friendly and benign with any animal *I* brought onto the property. But should a strange animal show up uninvited, they were escorted off the property tout-suite. He would bark at strangers going by the fenceline, but never had the need to defend against a true threat by a human. He really loved people and wanted to think the best of them whenever possible. God I miss him.

01-12-2013, 07:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
carmspack Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 5,542	people that have alpacas (know more than one including person who has award winning fleece herd) use DONKEYS to keep the coyotes away __________________ Carmen ******** Carmspack**

01-12-2013, 07:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
RocketDog Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 2,295	The gal down the road at the horse ranch uses Llamas to keep the coyotes and cougars out. I must say, when I run by there, and they're by the fence, they are quite intimidating, and I don't frighten easily. __________________ ~Elrond's Rocket of Rivendell, aka The RocketDog 06/15/11 hiker and runner extraordinaire http://redheadsrocketsandramblings.blogspot.com/

01-12-2013, 08:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,154	A lot of people use LGDs to guard stock, especially in areas where a donkey or llama would be eaten, or in areas where small varmints are the main problem. And yes, it's purely defense drive. LGDs have been bred for low prey drive. I don't think it's a good idea to do PP with these dogs. It isn't a game to them, and they aren't obedient the way GSDs are; they're bred to be independent thinkers. Meaning, they have a tendency to make their own judgement calls. Last edited by Freestep; 01-12-2013 at 08:30 PM.

01-13-2013, 10:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 4,045	I can't for the life of me figure out what they are trying to demonstrate in the second video? __________________ J, mom to: - Elsa - "Da Pookins" - Medo - "The Beast From The East"

01-13-2013, 11:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Castlemaid The Administrator from the Great White North, eh? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 11,182	The title of the second video is "Courage Test" - and in anyone's experienced eyes, the dog failed miserably. I went on Youtube to read the comments for the second video - they range from (I'm paraphrasing, my Hungarian is getting VERY rusty) : "This is embarrassing, Owner should never have posted this video on-line, reflects very poorly on the breed", To "Geez - de decoy did everything he could to set up the dog to bite,and still didn't bite!", to: " bet the dog is still under two years old and was intimidated by the helmet and bite suit - would have been a different story if the dog was older and the person had regular clothes on" To: I'm convinced! There is NO way I would open the gate and walk in with that dog in there! __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH

01-13-2013, 11:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
ShenzisMom Master Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, ON Posts: 950	Pyrs and akbash are dogs I've seen in person and I can't imagine anything getting through them... __________________ -Cassie Handler For: Shenzi: Female GSD Zira “To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.” -J.K Rowling

01-13-2013, 12:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,154	My Akbash was people-friendly and benign with any animal I brought onto the property. But should a strange animal show up uninvited, they were escorted off the property tout-suite. He would bark at strangers going by the fenceline, but never had the need to defend against a true threat by a human. He really loved people and wanted to think the best of them whenever possible. God I miss him.

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