Female with domanance issues.(Long post) - Page 4 - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%

GermanShepherds.com is the premier German Shepherd Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-17-2013, 12:44 AM   #31 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: California, US
Posts: 5,928
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshepherds View Post
Is F-F aggression something you can try to predict by previous behavior from other females in a bloodline or does it just pop up randomly?
From what I have seen and heard, some folks would certainly say this is the case (same with males and dominance).
codmaster is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-17-2013, 09:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
Administrator & LOTR Addict
 
lhczth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Michigan, USA
Posts: 15,613
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshepherds View Post
Is F-F aggression something you can try to predict by previous behavior from other females in a bloodline or does it just pop up randomly?
Yes, I think it is something you might be able to predict (nothing is 100%) if you know enough about the females in the bloodline.

As I said earlier, either in this thread or in another thread, I did not have problems until I had related bitches. Even in my case it is mostly (with only the one exception) a dominance issue where I keep them apart more for piece of mind than because they hate each other and want to kill each other.
__________________
Lisa Clark
Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs
Vala SchH3 AWD1 FH2 CGC B/HOT, SG1 Deja IPO3 AWD1 KKL1 B/HOT, SG Elena BH AD CGC B/HOT, LB (the ugly little sable) B/HOT, Donovan IPO1 TR2 AD, and gone but not forgotten, Nike SchH1 OB1 TR3 AD CGC HOT, Treue SchH3 CD CGC HOT




lhczth is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-17-2013, 10:10 AM   #33 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
hunterisgreat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 3,704
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA View Post
Female to female fighting can be deadly, Once they start it's something you can never trust them with as they will most likely take any opportunity to continue it.

So as I see it, the two choices you listed are 1. keep them separated at all times or 2 rehome her with no other dogs

Hard decision she sounds like she could be a fun dog to do activities with.
My two dominance bitches fought. No fights in a year, and they were fighting constantly. I dropped the hammer... They got corrected for so much as looking at each other for a while. Now we have no fights, and they've settled into who's dominant and accepted their places.

OP You need to correct either for looking or posturing at all. Once the behavior is in full swing its not effective... You must correct at the dogs first desire to endure in the behavior. No ecollars! The dog MUST know the correction came from you, the layer of the laws and leader of the household. The dogs must be separated when you are not present to address the behaviors. Over time when its clear to the dogs what you expect, it will stop. You probably won't make them cuddle buddies, but you can reliably stop any aggression.

Would be worth teaching yourself and your wife how to break up a dog fight. I broke one up last night and the other person got tagged and went to the ER afterwards. Dog fights are dangerous for everyone.
__________________
Hunter, USA trial helper, Charleston Working Dog Club Training Helper/Training Director
Beschützer des Jägers v. Sportwaffen, HOT, IPO1, AD, CGC
Katya v. Hügelblick, HOT, IPO2, CGC
SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald, 2 x SchH3, Kkl 1
hunterisgreat is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-17-2013, 10:12 AM   #34 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
hunterisgreat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 3,704
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lhczth View Post
Yes, I think it is something you might be able to predict (nothing is 100%) if you know enough about the females in the bloodline.

As I said earlier, either in this thread or in another thread, I did not have problems until I had related bitches. Even in my case it is mostly (with only the one exception) a dominance issue where I keep them apart more for piece of mind than because they hate each other and want to kill each other.
My two bitches are mother and daughter lol
__________________
Hunter, USA trial helper, Charleston Working Dog Club Training Helper/Training Director
Beschützer des Jägers v. Sportwaffen, HOT, IPO1, AD, CGC
Katya v. Hügelblick, HOT, IPO2, CGC
SG Aska v. Ketscher Wald, 2 x SchH3, Kkl 1
hunterisgreat is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-17-2013, 10:59 PM   #35 (permalink)
Member
 
ed1911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 177
Default

Hunterisgreat, I posted an update. The aggression has been stopped but I did use e-collars and they worked very well. I really do not understand the reluctance to use e-collars.
ed1911 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-17-2013, 11:41 PM   #36 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
selzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark, Ohio
Posts: 25,309
Default

ed, if your wife could separate them with a broom, they have not gotten into a fight to the death yet. An e-collar to correct them before they think about trying to eat each other may work so long as you are right there holding the control. If you leave them alone or with someone else, it can be a different story. It can also be that your bitches had a normal dog-scrimage that would have been fine. Hard to say. But a bitch who is seriously fighting with another bitch will not stop because someone beats them apart with a broom stick, that or working dogs aren't as tough/drivy as show dogs that I have experience with.

Also, if they are in the middle of the fight, the e-collar isn't going to stop them.

Babs and Jenna are littermates. They shared a kennel until they were 15 months old. Also loose in the house/yard, etc. No problems, no fights. I did notice that Jenna was doing a lot of posturing and Babs would be very submissive so I separated them. Fast forward 5.5 years. Jenna is in with Hepzibah her daughter, she has the puppy pen so its in/out and has a baby gate separating it from the living room. Babs is lying on my bed. I opened the gate to let Hepsi in, and Jenna squeezed through the gate, through the shower board barrier separating the living room from the hall to the bedroom and was up on my bed posturing over Babs.

There was not a fight. But there could have been a fight.

When Arwen and Jasmine went at it, they wanted to kill each other. I have separated males fighting. Separating females, should be easier because they are smaller, but it isn't. It's kind of like saying you would rather face a Malinois than a GSD because the GSD is bigger.
__________________
Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC
Heidi, RA CGC
SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD
Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC
Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC
Dolly CGC & Bear CGC
Gretta
Hepzibah
selzer is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-18-2013, 12:57 AM   #37 (permalink)
Member
 
ed1911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 177
Default

I didnt wait for a fight to start before giving the correction. As soon as they started posturing they got a correction. They are great together now. They spend all day together now without incident.
ed1911 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #38 (permalink)
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Toronto Ontario
Posts: 1,873
Default

it sounds like eds one bitch is happy to be submissive to his new dog now. I still would never leave them alone in case the new one wants to end the other ones life. Shes being good now but just watch lol
pets4life is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-18-2013, 09:30 PM   #39 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
selzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark, Ohio
Posts: 25,309
Default

They say you can never trust them if there is blood between them. I don't know. Just because they are ok for a few days doesn't mean that one won't walk too close to a food dish, or bump the other walking through a doorway, or come rush to see an owner. Bitch fights start fast. I would not leave them together unattended. People have come home to blood baths where they have found one dead and the other needing to be euthanized -- to me that would be my worse nightmare.

ETA: I think as the years add experience to us, some of us may be capable of reading the temperament in our bitches well enough to determine that these two will be fine left together, while these other two had better be crated. Right now I am leaving two bitches together. They are 7 and 10 months old. They seem to be great together and their temperaments jell. It is a risk, but I think a slight risk.

It will not hurt to crate one or both of your dogs when you cannot supervise, but it can be seriously bad if you do not. I think you weigh the options. If the issue was serious, a few days training with whatever tool will not eliminate it.
__________________
Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC
Heidi, RA CGC
SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD
Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC
Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC
Dolly CGC & Bear CGC
Gretta
Hepzibah

Last edited by selzer; 01-18-2013 at 09:34 PM.
selzer is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-18-2013, 09:56 PM   #40 (permalink)
Jag
Knighted Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,683
Default

Yes, my female pug has taken Grim on a few times. She's fairly stupid. When he's had enough of her, he stands over her until she submits. She has gotten into it with my wife's female a few times, which requires immediate intervention. They will be fine for awhile, but then get into it over something random. Those fights are ugly, where the fights with Grim and my pug are just comical.
Jag is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:38 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com