A video showing dominance/submission that I made

[gagsd]

I believe the OP stated the foster dog is a bit socially challenged.... and that the foster dog's behavior has improved.

[gagsd]

I find Katya the most interesting, personally.

[onyx'girl]

Originally Posted by gagsd

I find Katya the most interesting, personally.

Maybe Jager has "put her in her place" a few times? She is so demure looking!

[hunterisgreat]

Originally Posted by x11

you guys think lack of submission is all that causes a fight - rephrasing that, do you think all dogs will choose not to attack if another dog is submissive???

A sound, well adjusted dog won't pursue a submitting dog

[hunterisgreat]

Originally Posted by Kyleigh

I get that ... but what I'm thinking (and I most definitely could be wrong!) is that if the correction was done properly the first time, maybe even the second, then it wouldn't have had to continue ... this is what I'm thinking ...

OP ... I'm not trying to knock you ... We really don't see the whole dynamic of your household, the dog's behaviour, etc. That's why I posed my question, with my experiences of my last dog. I get that every dog is different and all that jazz ... From what I saw on the video, it wasn't really a correction, otherwise (as I THINK - not KNOW!!!) the foster dog wouldn't have kept it up ... this is what I am confused about!

Thanks!

He only corrected him once. The others were warnings. Assertions that he was higher on the ladder and the foster needed to give way. The foster is a little socially retarded. With out a doubt he came from a one dog, no socialization home. keep in mind this dog hackled and nipped at everyone when he came in the house.

[Kyleigh]

Got it! Thanks ... I was trying to read the whole thread, but was getting frustrated with all the back and forth, and admittedly skipped some!!!

[hunterisgreat]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

Maybe Jager has "put her in her place" a few times? She is so demure looking!

She is very dramatic in all aspects. Watch the video in this thread of them playing. She's highly dominant and rough when playing with Jäger. That little 60lb dog rolls Jäger all over the place lol. I think jäger likes it too caus you can catch him rolling before she hits him lol

[hunterisgreat]

Originally Posted by gagsd

I find Katya the most interesting, personally.

It's funny how she submits so fully, and them comes all the way back so fully. She is that way with me in training too. I can say "noooo" and I get that reaction, then "Good!!" And she's all the way cracked out in drive again. She is almost robotic in that when you push the right button you always get the response you expected

[hunterisgreat]

Just a little more background on Koal

I *verbally* corrected Koal the first week I had him as he was jumping on jager's back and biting the nape of his neck, while jäger showed his teeth without correcting him. Koal was going too far so I stood up and walked over and told him no! He looked, hackled, and growled at ME. I jumped between the dogs and pushed Koal back to make some space between him and jäger and I so he understood that the path he was going on was him against our pack. He then lunges and snapped at ME missing only because I'm quite used to dodging dog bites from helper work. My response was an immediate roll on his back, not so much for the roll aspect but for him to understand any sort of behavior like that at me will get a much stronger response from me, and he needs to understand this is an inappropriate and ineffective way to deal with the human feeding and handling you, and finally at this point he made it clear he was gonna make a go of it and I had to restrain him before Katya came over and ended his life (Katya ironically, acts as jager's enforcer lol). So, this ended in me "dead fishing" Koal... Laying on top pinning his head down to keep clear of the gnashing teeth, while keeping my three at bay who were standing by, and letting Koal wear himself out. He snapped at me once since then... When I was asking for a sit, with no correction. He snapped, then dropped, rolled and submitted faster than I had any time to react. To me this was an artifact of his old behavior that leaked out that he realized was wrong and immediately apologized for. Now he has trust that I will reward good and punish bad in equal measure to the gravity of what he did. He is now growing to trust jäger in that way.

[Blanketback]

Without knowing the dogs or the people interacting with them, the first thought I had was, "I wonder if Jager is communicating with Koal, or if he's lifting his lips because he's being rewarded for that behavior?" because at one point you can see him do this before he gets his piece, not even looking at Koal. It seems like you could tell him to stop it and he would without any problem. My second thought was how this will work out for Koal in the long run - since he's a foster, and will be rehomed eventually, will he be placed as 'good with other dogs' or will he need to be adopted out as a single dog? That is, will he need to go to a home where the other dog is dominant because otherwise he might take advantage of a more submissive dog?