A video showing dominance/submission that I made

[llombardo]

I have three bigger dogs and this behavior is not allowed. They can sit next to each other and take treats with no problems. I often have other dogs in the house too and I have never had any issues. If one of my dogs pulled this I would be terrified to let another dog in the house, because that dog coming in might not put up with it. If a dog like the aggressive one came into my house and did this, my older dog would not put up with it. She wouldn't start something, but she would finish it. I kinda think all of my dogs would not put up with it, why should they?

[hunterisgreat]

And yet, my trust in evolutions design continues to work without issue. Between me trying to decide what's best and putting faith in natures design I tend to lean to natures design knowing I cannot possibly be better informed or have a more mature solution

[Sarayer]

I think this has been said in many ways but not exactly like this.. We understand you are the leader to your dogs okay nothing wrong there, but with that said they should have enough confidence in you to know they are all equal and 'you' will take care of them. This dog may not harm you and allow you to do what you want but he does not trust you with his life or care, therefore he is defending himself and making sure the other dogs know he is ontop out of insecurities from being allowed to do so.


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[KristiM]

Originally Posted by gsdraven

Just to be clear... not allowing behavior such as snarling and showing teeth when not threatened does not equal forcing an unnatural heirarchy.

Yes, this was the other part of my reply:

That being said I don't let them "sort out issues on their own" and I don't let Havoc bully. Havoc loves to bully, it makes him feel good to posture over the other dogs, take their stuff, claim areas etc. I never allow it. He is an idiot and in a "natural" environment him and Odin would NOT be living together, one of them would leave. I would consider the behavior in the video bullying and I wouldn't allow it. If I am hand feeding my dogs I expect them to sit nicely and ignore eachother! I don't care if Havoc doesn't like what another dog might be doing, I'm the boss and its my call whether or not what the other dog is doing is inappropriate!

To me Jager was bullying. But I don't know either dogs.

What would Jager's behavior be like if you were giving out the food? Would it change since he has more respect over your control of the situation?

[hunterisgreat]

Originally Posted by Sarayer

I think this has been said in many ways but not exactly like this.. We understand you are the leader to your dogs okay nothing wrong there, but with that said they should have enough confidence in you to know they are all equal and 'you' will take care of them. This dog may not harm you and allow you to do what you want but he does not trust you with his life or care, therefore he is defending himself and making sure the other dogs know he is ontop out of insecurities from being allowed to do so.


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There is the fine line that is not understood... They are not all equal. No two dogs are. They *always* sort out who is more dominant. As do people in social settings. Go sit in a bar for a night and you will see countless people consciencesly and subconsciously sizing each other up.

I quite confidently assure you Jäger has such confidence and dedication he would fight and die in my defense, and I take great measures so ensure he knows and believes he would never be fighting alone. Jäger, in my and others opinion, is the ideal of strong nerve and confidence.

Such bold statements from someone who does not know the dogs lol

[Liesje]

I haven't read the whole thread but to say the video is showing "dominance" and "submission" is kind of vague, IMO. What I see is one dog that is resource guarding food and two dogs that are luckily letting him act like that and not giving it back to him. I won't say don't allow it because their your dogs and obviously things are not escalating but you're lucky that one dog can play the bully and the others just take it. Would NOT have gone down like that here! I don't necessarily think resource guarding is all bad (at least not for a strong male GSD) but having more than one of those in the house, I don't really care what order my dogs line themselves up in but *I* am on the top and don't allow resource guarding of me or things that belong to "me" (things in my hands). Toys, food bowls, killing an animal...OK dogs can snark or show teeth to each other but trying to say who gets what's in *my* hands...oh yeah right buddy!

[kelina]

Originally Posted by hunterisgreat

I don't need crates

I don't crate either :P dont see the need.

Your video is very beneficial for those who are trying to find the diff. Between dominance or bully/aggression

Your dogs are beautiful either way :P those teeeth!!!!!

[gsdraven]

Originally Posted by Liesje

What I see is one dog that is resource guarding food and two dogs that are luckily letting him act like that and not giving it back to him.

Resource guarding and getting rewarded for it.

[KristiM]

This isn't diected at anyone on particular....but I hate how any kind of "different" behavior displayed by a dog is always considered "insecurity", or "acting out of fear". That seems to be everyone's simple way to explain ANY kind of aggressive behavior. I refuse to believe that dogs are THAT basic. Sometimes a dog acts like an idiot becasue he is an idiot!!! I just don't see Jager acting scared or insecure, sorry. Rant over

[Liesje]

Originally Posted by KristiM

This isn't diected at anyone on particular....but I hate how any kind of "different" behavior displayed by a dog is always considered "insecurity", or "acting out of fear". That seems to be everyone's simple way to explain ANY kind of aggressive behavior. I refuse to believe that dogs are THAT basic. Sometimes a dog acts like an a** becasue he is an a**!!! I just don't see Jager acting scared or insecure, sorry. Rant over

I agree. I don't really see anything terrible about his behavior in the video I just think that Hunter would be approaching it *very* differently if he had TWO Jaegers instead of a Jaeger and a Katya, and I just personally don't like/don't allow my dogs to decide who gets what out of my own hands.