Alpharoll by mistake?

[Cassidy's Mom]

Originally Posted by DogGone

Like I said most of the vicious dogfights and attacks on humans have been by dogs who have been taught using “politically correct” techniques.

What do you base this assumption on? Are you referring to most of the dog attacks on humans that you have direct knowledge of - you know all the specifics of the situation, you've met and evaluated the particular dog, etc., or are you talking in generalities? How could you possibly know what methods have been used to train "most dogs", or if those "most dogs" you're talking about have been trained at all?

You make assumptions about how everyone here trains without knowing anything about any of us, (Lou Castle - politically correct? ) and you also make grandiose claims, such as comparing yourself to Cesar Milan, without giving any information whatsoever about yourself. Surely if you're such an accomplished and experienced trainer we would have heard of you, yes?

Anyone can claim to be an expert in anything but without proof it's all a bunch of hooey. Hey, did you know I'm the world's foremost expert on the mating behavior of rabbits?

[Cassidy's Mom]

Originally Posted by DogGone

That again is utter rubbish, like many articles that have been posted here. Like has been pointed out before; given their druthers and opportunity dogs have a tendency to form packs; despite the fact the authors claim. It seems that the author hasn’t ever observed a Wolfpack (whether they be wild or captive) or observe dogs playing relatively naturally as a pack in the backyard or in a dog park. It’s clear from his writing that he doesn’t know what being an “alpha wolf” is. Despite the authors claims; wolves and dogs do use physical force like alpha rolling to maintain order and keep the peace.

Again, cite your source. Surely there is research to back up this assertion? If not, then it's just an opinion, based on nothing, and worth nothing.

Alpha rolling often can prevent violence.

No, it can't. You're wrong.

[Cassidy's Mom]

Originally Posted by LouCastle

Still waiting for you to "stick to the facts and logic."

Me too!

[new_wind]

I have a question with all this,
Long ago we went to Dog park and there were two GSD, since it’s an unleashed park my girl was out of the leash, she went to greet the other two dogs in happy way, the other two GSD apparently a couple of Male and Female immediately launch on my girl, the Female took down my girl while the male stand behind her, my girl was rolled with her paws up, she didn’t put a fight at all, she just stood there frozen with the fangs out but no other reaction, the other female standing on top of my girl with a very aggressive instance but not attacking, I can only relate it to those Nat Geo programs about wolfs fighting for pack control, this happens really fast, I rush and put my leg in between my girl and the other dog to push the other GSD back, the other owner was already coming to get the female so no harm was done other than the scary moment.
My Girl is sometimes too “cocky” in attitude and this could trigger the event.
Isn’t this what is called Alpha Roll?

[codmaster]

Difference was the other dog didn't grab your dog and force her over.

[new_wind]

Actually she did, grabbing my dog from the top at first.
That is why I am curious about this.

[codmaster]

Originally Posted by new_wind

Actually she did, grabbing my dog from the top at first.
That is why I am curious about this.

What do you mean by "grabbing my dog from the top at first"?

Top of what? At first? - what did the dog do next?

Sounds like your dog went down by herself when the other dog grabbed her. Not that the other dog forced her down like a human would have done in an Alpha roll. Similar result but a little different and the point people were making is that when a dog tries to dominate another dog, some dogs will fight back and snap at them. Same thing is a risk if a human trys it also. Some dogs will give up and roll and some will fight back with all their might.

[new_wind]

Uhmm, As I remember, the other dog grab my girl from the neck and, I am not sure she went down by herself or was the other dog who push her down, It could be she went down by herself as submission, at that moment I was more concern to get there to protect my girl.
Based on all exposed here, I just try to figure out if that is an actual event of Alpha roll or just a domination match.
My Girl has changed too much after that, now I am sure my girl would fight back with everything, she is not aggressive, but not submissive at all.