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Old 01-07-2013, 10:10 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I couldn't find anything on pedigrees on their page. What's up with that?


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Old 01-08-2013, 12:21 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I couldn't find anything on pedigrees on their page. What's up with that?


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Fritz' parents are both Kirschental dogs.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=644556
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=598420

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Thanks. Ill have to look it up. I was surprised they didn't have info on pedigrees on their website.


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Old 01-08-2013, 12:29 AM   #34 (permalink)
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The Monks are not well known for supporting dogs once they become a problem or end up in shelters, etc.

My dog Basu (who I adopted at age 4.5) sounds very much like your dog. He was also fear aggressive (I adopted the problem with the dog) and highly reactive to people coming into his space. I was able to manage him but I used the opposite methods: positive reinforcement, counter-conditioning and strict management. He was not an easy keeper by any means but I did get him to a point where I could manage him in most situations without worrying. There were still situations that were too much for him and I just kept him out of those situations.

I would say that with the right handler this dog could be fine but it will take quite a bit of time to undo old patterns.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:27 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Once the dog has bitten...there isn't a single rescue in the United States that would touch it.
Just wanted to adjust this a bit, for anyone who might be reading and find themselves in a similar situation to the OP... While the majority of rescues won't take a dog with a bite history (or will take it but euthanize it immediately), I have personally worked with several that didn't automatically rule those dogs out. Generally, they would do an evaluation into the circumstances and fear reactive dogs were generally accepted. Then they either spent extra time working with the dog (for rescues with behavioral programs or skilled fosters), or they were extra careful with placement, or both. I don't know about GSD rescue norms, but I know that for awhile when I was working with another breed rescue, probably half our adult dogs were there because of some kind of bite history.

So in other words, don't expect it, but if you're between a rock and a hard place with a dog you think could be okay in a different situation but you can't handle, at least try contacting rescues in your area. Even if they don't take dogs with a bite history, they may be able to point you to resources in the community that can help.

OP, I really hope that trainer in NY works out. I hope you will keep us updated. As I said in my PM, I didn't understand your post at first but I admire you for putting yourself out there for public criticism in order to try to help Fritz.
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From a rescue perspective...yes we could probably work with this type dog and prevent another bite, but then again, can we ever guarantee a new adoptive home will follow the same precautions and training exercises?
If we can't (and no rescue really can), euthanasia is the most responsible action.
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I have personally worked with several that didn't automatically rule those dogs out. Generally, they would do an evaluation into the circumstances and fear reactive dogs were generally accepted.
Which is why I suggested getting a rescue to at least do an eval on him and get their thoughts.
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I've found another local trainer whose elderly GSD recently passe away. He's a friend of a friend. He's looking for a companion dog and is coming on Sat to see him. Broken hearted-****.
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hope it works out for your friend, sounds like just the place, no other dogs, and a trainer to boot.
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until i read this post, i had only heard and read good things about these monks. they had a tv show show for awhile that showed their training methods. sounds more like a gsd puppy mill to me now.
wish i had something to say that would help the op.
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