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Old 01-08-2013, 08:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I know of an 'accidental' breeding by siblings. The owners were on vacation and the female was in heat. Her adult son let the male jump fence and it happened. The vet told the owner to let them go through with the whelp(bad advice!!!) 3 pups were born, two were blues and one black. One of the blue ones was not intelligent("stupid") according to the owner.
They kept two, gave one to a family member. They seemed healthy and fairly decent temperament when I saw them around a yr of age. I haven't kept up with the owners to know if they stayed that way, or if they still even have them.

They had a few GSD's and they were all outside dogs. They own a junkyard nearby, dogs were junkyard dogs.
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As a breeder I would not want one but as a pet, it's hard to pass up a free purebred.
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I wouldn't even want one then, I've dealt with enough health and temperament issues with a poorly bred one, even if she's purebred....purebred doesn't matter. The only way I'd take one is if were in a shelter with the threat of being euth'd.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I wouldn't even want one then, I've dealt with enough health and temperament issues with a poorly bred one, even if she's purebred....purebred doesn't matter. The only way I'd take one is if were in a shelter with the threat of being euth'd.
Couldn't agree more.

What's the price of a dog have to do with anything when it comes to the potential health and temperament problems of inbreeding like this? And the dogs/puppies are barely even a year old?? What does being purebred have to do with anything? I'd actually rather have an unknown mutt than an inbred dog like this, but that's just me.

Save now, pay later, I guess. Instant gratification.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:21 PM   #25 (permalink)
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In general, a 1x inbreeding cross like this is somewhat less likely to create problems--or the problems you see will be obvious and will probably prevent the pup from being born alive.

I worry more about pups from products of generations of close linebreeding and heavy inbreeding--that's when you get pups who seem healthy but end up developing all sorts of issues.

The bloodlines are good ones, although I would expect high drives and lots of intensity.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:37 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Yes - accidents happen. Nobody is perfect. I managed to go 5 years with intact males and females without a problem. It only took one moment of stupidity on my part and there was an "accidental" breeding between mother and son.

I also don't consider it irresponsible on my part that I allowed the pregnancy to go to term. I was NOT going to spay my girl - she is my foundation bitch and, in my opinion, an almost perfect specimen of her breed (Chinese Crested).

I refuse to use the Mismate shots as they can be very dangerous for the bitch.

The pups were born, spoken for within a few weeks and of the four pups, three of them are being shown in confirmation and one if turning the heads of well-known Crested breeders.


Dogs don't consider it disgusting or appalling or even WRONG to breed with their mother, sister, brother or father. There's no inset in the animal kingdom. In the wild wolves will interbreed.

It's not ideal but it's also not necessarily the end of the world.
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If you had a daughter and a son, would you let them have children?
It is completely different with animals. There is no social stigma associated with in-breeding.

Used correctly, in-breeding can be a VERY good thing.
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Ok. So I have a question. I am looking to purchase my first GSD and I have contacted a trainer/breeder and she doesn't have any dogs available but she has a former client of hers who bought two dogs from her male and female from the same litter and there was an accidental breeding. And that is why the puppies will be cheap. Both parent dogs are extremely healthy and come from great bloodlines. I just dont know what to do. Any thoughts?
According to genetics - I would guess that any traits in the dogs would probably be magnified!
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I wouldn't pay for one, but I'd probably take one for free. I have more issues with the age of the dogs and "accidentally" breeding than the inbreeding or the pedigree.
This exactly.

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I wouldn't pay for one, but I'd probably take one for free. I have more issues with the age of the dogs and "accidentally" breeding than the inbreeding or the pedigree.

Agree.
One for free would be a good deal.
The whole inbreeding thing is neither here nor there really. Incest does not exist in the animal kingdom and will not "create" health issues.....but can exaggerate something that is already present.....GOOD and bad.
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