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Old 11-17-2012, 11:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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thanks BlackthornGSD i actually got that, the nergy but i kind of didn't but energy is the most misused word in the english language so i'm not going to try and get that bit.

so from yr definitions and because this is a gsd board i would think that the ideal gsd in its original form would be a high activity, low prey drive, high reactive dog.

this is the original gsd prior to venue specialisation??

in yr definition then a reactive dogs and a sharp dog is the same thing??

reactive = thin nerves???
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No, I don't think a reactive dog and a sharp dog are the same thing. A sharp dog is going to be reactive, but a dog can be reactive without being sharp.

I don't think the original GSDs were low prey drive. And I don't know how high in activity they were, either. That probably varied quite a bit among the founding types.

I also think that the "ideal" balance is going to vary for each person and purpose. They will still all be GSDs, but not all exactly the same.

I think a dog can be reactive and not have bad nerves. But they do tend to go together to some degree.
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so from yr definitions and because this is a gsd board i would think that the ideal gsd in its original form would be a high activity, low prey drive, high reactive dog.
I don't think I'd call that ideal.
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blackhorn can u say the diff between sharp and reactive? I always consider them the same?

And do you consider most sharp dogs to be kinda nervous? i always consider it kinda shy sharp. But not always there are sharp dogs that are not nervous but i thought most sharp gsds were just thin nerved and unstable.

There are some presa and LGD i know that are sharp but i feel deep down that they are nervous deep down there. But i know there are sharp mal or gsd that are not scared at all its just who they are. They are just not social dogs you can take to a family get together.

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I had a rescue foster for a while who I thought was a bit sharp--but not reactive. If she was pushed or felt cornered or likely to be injured, she would bite. But if I walked around a corner and saw a dog, she didn't go into aggression barking. But if some dog had tried to intimidate her and put her on her back (she was little), she would respond with teeth. Biting was in her repertoire of responses. To me, a sharp dog is one who tends to react quickly and with actual aggression (not just vocalization) as a likely response.

A reactive dog, IMO, is one who is responding without thinking, to an outside stimulus. This isn't always an aggressive response and it is likely to be vocal, perhaps aggressive barking--but it isn't always barking. Say I'm at Petsmart and walk around a corner and there's a beagle, a reactive dog might respond with scary sounding barking without really processing that the beagle isn't representing any real threat that would make such a reaction reasonable. But usually, these dogs are all sound without any real intention to use their teeth.
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i see so a sharp dog as a pp dog would be a big no no


not something you can take in public wthout a muzzle at least
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eh? around the home you want a very sharp dog for ppd??

apparently sharp is only undesirable in the states (generally speaking) - what i gather in euro it's generally considered a good thing??
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my dog can be sharp around her fence/home but thats also territorial aggression I think also.

But in public shes calm and good and always stable.

You cant have a pp dog that is nasty in public cause you need it to go everywhere with you and be ur protector and then turn on in a second when you need it. It has to go everywhere with you and not take out people that go beside you. YOu could take a dog with a muzzle i guess but that would suck. It would be way better to take a social dog that you can take everywhere that has it in them to be a monster when you turn it on. That way you can it to public gatherings, hikes, shopping, vacations, anywhere you want and not have to worry about it taking someone out.

Around the house when ur asleep its a whole nother story. OR when your dog is in the yard.

IF your life was in serious constant danger and no one is suppose to go around you at all then i would want a sharp dangerous dog and just muzzle it all the time. But again how is that going to work you gonna take off the muzzle when someone starts killing you? Even eva mendas dog isnt muzzled when her starker started giving her rape and death threats. Shes able to take her dog shopping down the strip.



if she had a sharp dog she would not be able to take it shopping like that. No one is going to get near her with that dog lol

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using this lexicon, my two females are extreme high drive, one is high activity, the other extreme high activity, both lower energy than my male, who is high drive and low activity. he moves when there is a reason to move. Katya moves if I do, Aska doesn't stop moving. Jager has vastly higher stamina than either of the other two, but they are both "quicker". I believe they have a higher makeup of fast twitch muscle tissue where as he has higher slow twitch. one provides lightning fast movement, the other slower movement but with extended duration of performance before exhaustion.
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my dog can be sharp around her fence/home but thats also territorial aggression I think also.

But in public shes calm and good and always stable.

You cant have a pp dog that is nasty in public cause you need it to go everywhere with you and be ur protector and then turn on in a second when you need it. It has to go everywhere with you and not take out people that go beside you. YOu could take a dog with a muzzle i guess but that would suck. It would be way better to take a social dog that you can take everywhere that has it in them to be a monster when you turn it on. That way you can it to public gatherings, hikes, shopping, vacations, anywhere you want and not have to worry about it taking someone out.

Around the house when ur asleep its a whole nother story. OR when your dog is in the yard.

IF your life was in serious constant danger and no one is suppose to go around you at all then i would want a sharp dangerous dog and just muzzle it all the time. But again how is that going to work you gonna take off the muzzle when someone starts killing you? Even eva mendas dog isnt muzzled when her starker started giving her rape and death threats. Shes able to take her dog shopping down the strip.



if she had a sharp dog she would not be able to take it shopping like that. No one is going to get near her with that dog lol
Believe me, you can teach a muzzled dog to hurt someone just as bad as an unmuzzled one. A well seasoned muzzle dog can snap ribs with ease. My helper won't work Katya anymore in muzzlework without at muzzle vest (ordered) as she is getting too violent and causing too much pain at this point
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