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Old 01-03-2013, 10:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I was very, very, very familiar with this business. I believe the original owners/trainers retired and their children took over. The really bad reputation the business had for harsh training was aimed at the original owners., although it has lingered around the children.

During the almost six years that I did temperament testing for the humane society in Boise, we could almost always tell a Scotch Pines dog by their fear of "doing the wrong thing". They were obedient, but in a very robotic way.

Often owners would include their "graduation" certificate from the training class when they surrendered the dog. Looking at paperwork was always last, after the evaluation. And it was sad how frequently we were able to ID the Scotch Pines dogs. I have known several people over the past almost thirteen years who have taken their dogs through that school, and those dogs also show those same, telltale signs of heavy handed training. I don't know anyone who has used them in the past nine or ten years.

Now, that being said...in 2006 or 2007, a woman approached the humane society and asked if she could display brochures advertising her training services at the shelter, by the cash register. She was the daughter or daughter-in-law of the original Scotch Pines owners. The shelter denied her the display.

It could very well be that the new and improved Scotch Pines is not as heavy handed as the original. The original owners were Koehler all the way. The "dog people" locally have continued to stay away from Scotch Pines. They tend to go with someone who trains specifically for a sport (like obedience for agility or obedience for competition).

I don't know. I find it hard to believe that the children could have learned much that was different from their parents. They learned how to train from the parents. But it could be that they noticed the business was in a major decline because of the reputation and decided they had to soften it? I would not use them for any of my dogs and I don't recommend them. I am not necessarily uncomfortable with making corrections, but I don't like how dogs trained with compulsion respond.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well. One good thing is there is plenty of information on their website:
http://www.spdogtraining.com/handlersmanual_2012.pdf
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Thanks for your replies.

When I was a kid we went to what I am sure was a Koehler based class with our airedale/Old english sheepdog mix. If I knew what I know now, I'd have trained this dog with tug rewards- but the choke chain correction stuff taught that poor dog nothing because, to be honest, the dog was not interested in working for praise or particularly in pleasing us. She was a typical terrier- stubborn to a fault but such a good dog (aloof and stuck close) she didn't require much training. Granted, the trainer was probably not the best, and I was 9 and the trainer wouldn't let me handle my dog in the class, so my mother was doing the handling. Not the best situation since I was the dog's main caretaker.

Anyway, I'm going to check out the (relatively) new Michael Ellis recall DVD or I'll go with the low-stim e-collar method if I decide to add corrections for the recall with my malinois.

I can absolutely stomach corrections to keep a dog safe (recall), or fair corrections at schutzhund training, but I'm not interested in having a robot dog that cowers when I bring out the leash. The Q and A in the pamphlet even acknowledge that as a real possibility.

Thanks, you have left no doubt in my mind that this is not the right thing for us. I'm glad I did my research.
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