Ivan Balabanov ?

Raizo · 10-08-2010, 04:29 PM

I think this is the proper place to put this, since I am asking about a trainer, and I suppose some of his training methods.

Okay, let's see. After discussing things with the family, CPI looked pretty good, phone calls were made, numbers written down, etc. so I was perfectly content for a while now that we had some kind of tangible evidence that I would be getting a GSD in the near future. However, just to double check on their credibility, I checked out Leerburg. o___O looks like CPI isn't as fabulous as they make themselves out to be. The members at Leerburg don't look at them very highly, so I was seriously unsettled by that.

I decided to check out some other PPD websites, and my dad seems to like Command Control K9. I'm okay with them, and their prices are slightly better than CPI's, with the upside being that I haven't heard anything negative about them, but I wasn't entirely sold.

So, after hearing mention of Ivan Balabanov on HERE as well as on Leerburg, I decided to look into this guy. I'll admit, the first time I looked at the prices of the dogs on CPI, I got sticker shock. Once again, I got the same kind of sticker shock when I looked at the prices of Ivan's dogs -- but more for the opposite reasons!

the prices were phenomenally better than the ones at CPI, Harrison K9 and CCK9.
Why is that?

All of his videos looked decent, the pages on his website were helpful, and I liked the look of the few available dogs he had up -- but wait, wasn't that how I got interested in CPI too? So I thought 'hey, before I jump into this even further, I'd better do my research'.
And tada, here I am.

My questions:

Has anyone worked with Ivan Balabanov? Met him? Went to one of his seminars?

Anything positive about the experience?

Anything negative?

Has anyone bought a dog from Ivan?

Has anyone MET a dog from Ivan?

I feel like I should trust this guy, even enough to consider the option of picking out a dog (with his help) and then paying for him to train it to be a protection dog. I'm certain this is an option that was posted on the site, I'm in the process of finding it again.

All of his competition titles and championships are really nice, but as someone who is BENEATH a NOOB in protection dog sports, he might as well've posted awards on doggy tap-dancing -- I wouldn't know the difference.

I'm sure I'd be much more impressed if I had even an inkling as to how significant they were to his career and reputation. So for all you educated people out there, care to shed some light on the situation?
Ivan Babanov - Ot Vitosha Kennels Championship Titles, Tracking Accomplishments, Dog Obedience Training, Personal Accomplishments, Trained Protection Dogs For Home
(His accomplishments)
protection dogs- why choose us
(Credentials)

I'll pester my dad to try calling Mr. Balabanov on Monday, but until then, I'll gather as much info as I can.

**Castlemaid** · 10-08-2010, 04:43 PM

Okay, I took a peek at the other sites you were considering - They are good marketers and sales people, saying the right things to newbies (like yourself) looking for a protection dog.

Ivan is the real thing. People who have worked with dogs, seen dogs, and people like myself who have a working line gsd to train in Schutzhund for training, for fun, would go to Ivan for a real protection dog, because I know he understands dog, and knows way more about dogs than what the other two websites are offering.

Go with Ivan, his reputation is well deserved, he is known for his integrity and genuine helpfulness.

Raizo · 10-08-2010, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castlemaid

Okay, I took a peek at the other sites you were considering - They are good marketers and sales people, saying the right things to newbies (like yourself) looking for a protection dog.

Ivan is the real thing. People who have worked with dogs, seen dogs, and people like myself who have a working line gsd to train in Schutzhund for training, for fun, would go to Ivan for a real protection dog, because I know he understands dog, and knows way more about dogs than what the other two websites are offering.

Go with Ivan, his reputation is well deserved, he is known for his integrity and genuine helpfulness.

Thanks Castlemaid! This was the kind of answer I was looking for. =)

Catu · 10-08-2010, 06:11 PM

I had gone to Ivan seminars in the past and I'm going back to another in a couple of weeks. I like him a lot and I don't have anything negative to say about him. I only know him from a sporting perspective, and I have not met any of his dogs in person, so being truly honest, I cannot say anything positive first hand either about PPD. But considering the guy has worked hard to build a reputation through the years, the chance of him messing it scamming someone for being noob are less.

**JKlatsky** · 10-08-2010, 06:19 PM

I think there are better places to buy a dog from. Personally I would go somewhere else.

**JakodaCD OA** · 10-08-2010, 06:47 PM

I've watched alot of his training videos and I like his methods. of all the ones you've been looking at, personally, I would go to Ivan if I had my choice and could afford it.

Raizo · 10-08-2010, 11:46 PM

All answers are helpful! I've been looking into another company called A1K9, which is situated in Swansea, Wales. So far I haven't heard anything negative about them, but again, I'm not ready to hop on a plane and go visit them quite yet. I've also heard of Alpine K9, and a flight out to Phoenix, AZ is a bit more reasonable, I think. If anyone has any info on Alpine K9 then that would helpful to me as well! (I'm not expecting quite so much info on A1K9, considering the location

)

**JakodaCD OA** · 10-09-2010, 08:07 AM

I wouldn't hesitate to get a dog from Hans Prager (alpinek9), he is also a trainer , there is a member on this site who has a puppy from Hans partner . I think his prices are very reasonable and that guy knows his czech dogs

I also like Eurosport. My female is out of a Eurosport bitch, while shes' a sweetie, she can be a real tough girl, high defense, suspicious, always 'watching'.

I honestly wouldn't go overseas, there are so many good dogs right in this country it's just researching to see what the best fit is

onyx'girl · 10-09-2010, 08:30 AM

Raizo, it is great that you are still doing research before investing in your future dog.
I think you've learned so much in the few weeks you've been on the boards and I bet you'll know exactly which breeder/trainer you'd like to go with by the end of the year and will not have regrets, because you weren't rushing into it.
Have you visited the PDB? General Topic Messageboard - page 1 - German shepherd dog
forums? Hans is a regular on there. A search of his posts, clik here

Raizo · 10-09-2010, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

I wouldn't hesitate to get a dog from Hans Prager (alpinek9), he is also a trainer , there is a member on this site who has a puppy from Hans partner . I think his prices are very reasonable and that guy knows his czech dogs

I also like Eurosport. My female is out of a Eurosport bitch, while shes' a sweetie, she can be a real tough girl, high defense, suspicious, always 'watching'.

I honestly wouldn't go overseas, there are so many good dogs right in this country it's just researching to see what the best fit is

The more I hear about this guy, (I've read several of his posts on Leerburg) the more I like him. I honestly think my family should go with this guy, he's the most reasonable that I've found.

How do Czech dogs differ from German dogs? o__O is the difference important? (Eh, xD I'll just make another thread to ask about it, or find one on here already made)

To Onyx'girl: I have actually never been to PDB, so thank you for the link! =) I'll go check it out now. Yes, my thoughts exactly -- I'm hoping to find exactly what I need by the end of this year, or the early start of next year.

10-08-2010, 04:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Raizo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: OH Posts: 246	Ivan Balabanov ? I think this is the proper place to put this, since I am asking about a trainer, and I suppose some of his training methods. Okay, let's see. After discussing things with the family, CPI looked pretty good, phone calls were made, numbers written down, etc. so I was perfectly content for a while now that we had some kind of tangible evidence that I would be getting a GSD in the near future. However, just to double check on their credibility, I checked out Leerburg. o___O looks like CPI isn't as fabulous as they make themselves out to be. The members at Leerburg don't look at them very highly, so I was seriously unsettled by that. I decided to check out some other PPD websites, and my dad seems to like Command Control K9. I'm okay with them, and their prices are slightly better than CPI's, with the upside being that I haven't heard anything negative about them, but I wasn't entirely sold. So, after hearing mention of Ivan Balabanov on HERE as well as on Leerburg, I decided to look into this guy. I'll admit, the first time I looked at the prices of the dogs on CPI, I got sticker shock. Once again, I got the same kind of sticker shock when I looked at the prices of Ivan's dogs -- but more for the opposite reasons! the prices were phenomenally better than the ones at CPI, Harrison K9 and CCK9. Why is that? All of his videos looked decent, the pages on his website were helpful, and I liked the look of the few available dogs he had up -- but wait, wasn't that how I got interested in CPI too? So I thought 'hey, before I jump into this even further, I'd better do my research'. And tada, here I am. My questions: Has anyone worked with Ivan Balabanov? Met him? Went to one of his seminars? Anything positive about the experience? Anything negative? Has anyone bought a dog from Ivan? Has anyone MET a dog from Ivan? I feel like I should trust this guy, even enough to consider the option of picking out a dog (with his help) and then paying for him to train it to be a protection dog. I'm certain this is an option that was posted on the site, I'm in the process of finding it again. All of his competition titles and championships are really nice, but as someone who is BENEATH a NOOB in protection dog sports, he might as well've posted awards on doggy tap-dancing -- I wouldn't know the difference. I'm sure I'd be much more impressed if I had even an inkling as to how significant they were to his career and reputation. So for all you educated people out there, care to shed some light on the situation? Ivan Babanov - Ot Vitosha Kennels Championship Titles, Tracking Accomplishments, Dog Obedience Training, Personal Accomplishments, Trained Protection Dogs For Home (His accomplishments) protection dogs- why choose us (Credentials) I'll pester my dad to try calling Mr. Balabanov on Monday, but until then, I'll gather as much info as I can.

10-08-2010, 04:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Castlemaid Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 9,089	Okay, I took a peek at the other sites you were considering - They are good marketers and sales people, saying the right things to newbies (like yourself) looking for a protection dog. Ivan is the real thing. People who have worked with dogs, seen dogs, and people like myself who have a working line gsd to train in Schutzhund for training, for fun, would go to Ivan for a real protection dog, because I know he understands dog, and knows way more about dogs than what the other two websites are offering. Go with Ivan, his reputation is well deserved, he is known for his integrity and genuine helpfulness. __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD (HOT) Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH, OFA Good (HOT) "Bites Through the Sleeve" Cuddlebug, b: Mar 2009

10-08-2010, 06:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,269	I had gone to Ivan seminars in the past and I'm going back to another in a couple of weeks. I like him a lot and I don't have anything negative to say about him. I only know him from a sporting perspective, and I have not met any of his dogs in person, so being truly honest, I cannot say anything positive first hand either about PPD. But considering the guy has worked hard to build a reputation through the years, the chance of him messing it scamming someone for being noob are less. __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

10-08-2010, 06:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
JKlatsky Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Riverview, FL Posts: 2,985	I think there are better places to buy a dog from. Personally I would go somewhere else. __________________ Argos vom Eisernen Loewen VPG1, CGC, TC 3-3-07 Bianka vom Eisernen Loewen BH, CGC, TC 1-3-08 Cade vom Eisernen Loewen CGC 3-25-09 D'Artagnan (Tag) vom Eisernen Loewen 2-2-10 G Aiko von Burkndeiros SchH 3, IPO3, FH, TC, KKL2 9-17-02

10-08-2010, 06:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	I've watched alot of his training videos and I like his methods. of all the ones you've been looking at, personally, I would go to Ivan if I had my choice and could afford it. __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

10-08-2010, 11:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Raizo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: OH Posts: 246	All answers are helpful! I've been looking into another company called A1K9, which is situated in Swansea, Wales. So far I haven't heard anything negative about them, but again, I'm not ready to hop on a plane and go visit them quite yet. I've also heard of Alpine K9, and a flight out to Phoenix, AZ is a bit more reasonable, I think. If anyone has any info on Alpine K9 then that would helpful to me as well! (I'm not expecting quite so much info on A1K9, considering the location )

10-09-2010, 08:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	I wouldn't hesitate to get a dog from Hans Prager (alpinek9), he is also a trainer , there is a member on this site who has a puppy from Hans partner . I think his prices are very reasonable and that guy knows his czech dogs I also like Eurosport. My female is out of a Eurosport bitch, while shes' a sweetie, she can be a real tough girl, high defense, suspicious, always 'watching'. I honestly wouldn't go overseas, there are so many good dogs right in this country it's just researching to see what the best fit is __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

10-09-2010, 08:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 17,605	Raizo, it is great that you are still doing research before investing in your future dog. I think you've learned so much in the few weeks you've been on the boards and I bet you'll know exactly which breeder/trainer you'd like to go with by the end of the year and will not have regrets, because you weren't rushing into it. Have you visited the PDB? General Topic Messageboard - page 1 - German shepherd dog forums? Hans is a regular on there. A search of his posts, clik here __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo Last edited by onyx'girl; 10-09-2010 at 08:34 AM.

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