Need Help in Boise Idaho

khrisr · 04-30-2010, 02:46 PM

I have a working line GSD who has developed some problems. Hes very alpha and I have done all the things every trainer in the past has taught me and my husband to do. But we cant seem to keep our place always as alpha.

We make him wait to eat, wait to walk outside behind us, to wait to get out of the van, to walk besies slightly behind.

He will only come if you have food, other wise no go. Even does this to trainers. If he is around our horses, he wrestles with one and tries to herd the other.

He tries to force submit the neighbors dog, we keep the seperated, but now he wants to force submit the neighbor girl. He was on his hind legs, front paws on her shoulders, he had her by her pony tail, was growling and all his hair up. Even after I pulled him off, he kept tring to find a way around me to get to her. I had to body block and then lock him up.

I do not wish to loose my dog, but I have to face that we might to way to inexperienced with a dog who was from a Police Dog. We love him and adore him and are tring to do our best, but financialy we cant afford another huge training bill. Can someone help me?

DJEtzel · 04-30-2010, 03:07 PM

Is he fixed?

how much exercise is he getting?

How much training per day?

khrisr · 04-30-2010, 03:12 PM

Hes not fixed, I know he needs to be. After all the trianing money and surgery money, hes accident prone, I havent been able to get him fixed.

Hes worked with for 1-2 hours a day

We live in the country so hes getting 2-3 miles a day.

**JakodaCD OA** · 04-30-2010, 04:59 PM

How Old is he?

Sounds like he needs some GOOD TOUGH LOVE,,I wouldn't allow him any offleash freedom at all until he's earned it.

If he can get to the neighbors dog, and the neighbors kid, he needs to be either on a leash or somehow under complete control.

Unfortunately if something isn't done to correct this behavior(I would be more concerned about the kid than him with other dogs) you could have a big liability on your hands.

I would keep him on a long line and work on his "come" and hey if it takes food to make him come to you,,so be it, keep treats on you at all times.

I would also contact your breeder and ask for assistance,,if he is the one in your avatar he is gorgeous !!

ZAYDA · 04-30-2010, 05:14 PM

He needs to earn his freedom for sure. Just an idea I never used one but what about a shock collar.

**JakodaCD OA** · 04-30-2010, 05:17 PM

shock collar is an idea, however , I would never advise someone to use one unless they knew what they were doing..

another thought, why not email Lou Castle? He is a member of this board and a trainer who deals with alot of problem dogs,,he may be able to give you some good suggestions/advice

**MaggieRoseLee** · 04-30-2010, 05:21 PM

Did you go to the training WITH your dog? Or send him away?

Big difference.

khrisr · 04-30-2010, 06:39 PM

We didnt send him away. We had the trainer show us how to train him. So we did the work. He was doing so good and then up and changed in the last few months.

He will be 3 May 7th. We have contacted him, and just did a controlled exposure to the girl, he was fine with her. She was coming over to our house to help me out with my kids.

I am not worried about the neighbors dog, just wanted to use what hes doing with him as an example. I am more worried about his reaction to her and if he will keep doing it to her.

khrisr · 04-30-2010, 10:27 PM

I realize my last post doesnt make alot of sense. Ok.

Today the girl came over, we try to help her and her mom out while her moms at work and allow her to stay over here. She in turn helps me out with my five and two year old so I can get other things done. We had Nitro on a lead and all he wanted to do when she came in was smell her. But yesterday when she came into our yard, he lost it.

I only used the example of her dog as a way to explain what he was doing to her. And I figure some back story on Nitro might help.

I really do not want to loose my dog, but if he is too much dog for my family and I, needing a home with a more experienced owner, then I will do whats best for my dog.

I can try changing up his training. Things have been hard since I got really sick a few months ago. I find I am exhausted and weak alot of the time. But I am willing to try.

sit,stay · 05-02-2010, 11:24 AM

Hey, welcome from another Idahoan! I live just outside of Boise and I can give you the names of two very experienced trainers to work with. Please let me know if you are interested and I can PM those names and their contact info to you.
Sheilah

04-30-2010, 02:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
khrisr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 32	Need Help in Boise Idaho I have a working line GSD who has developed some problems. Hes very alpha and I have done all the things every trainer in the past has taught me and my husband to do. But we cant seem to keep our place always as alpha. We make him wait to eat, wait to walk outside behind us, to wait to get out of the van, to walk besies slightly behind. He will only come if you have food, other wise no go. Even does this to trainers. If he is around our horses, he wrestles with one and tries to herd the other. He tries to force submit the neighbors dog, we keep the seperated, but now he wants to force submit the neighbor girl. He was on his hind legs, front paws on her shoulders, he had her by her pony tail, was growling and all his hair up. Even after I pulled him off, he kept tring to find a way around me to get to her. I had to body block and then lock him up. I do not wish to loose my dog, but I have to face that we might to way to inexperienced with a dog who was from a Police Dog. We love him and adore him and are tring to do our best, but financialy we cant afford another huge training bill. Can someone help me? __________________ My kids, my dog, my horse, my cat, and my husband are my life. Nitro: GSD 4 years Star: Arab/Quarter 5 MiaKoda: BLM Mustang Mare Children: 18, 5, and 3.

04-30-2010, 03:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
DJEtzel Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 2,932	Is he fixed? how much exercise is he getting? How much training per day? __________________ I'm Danielle Frag CGC, male GSD Bailey, female Rat Terrier Mix www.FraggleRockCollars.com

04-30-2010, 03:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
khrisr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 32	Hes not fixed, I know he needs to be. After all the trianing money and surgery money, hes accident prone, I havent been able to get him fixed. Hes worked with for 1-2 hours a day We live in the country so hes getting 2-3 miles a day. __________________ My kids, my dog, my horse, my cat, and my husband are my life. Nitro: GSD 4 years Star: Arab/Quarter 5 MiaKoda: BLM Mustang Mare Children: 18, 5, and 3.

04-30-2010, 04:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	How Old is he? Sounds like he needs some GOOD TOUGH LOVE,,I wouldn't allow him any offleash freedom at all until he's earned it. If he can get to the neighbors dog, and the neighbors kid, he needs to be either on a leash or somehow under complete control. Unfortunately if something isn't done to correct this behavior(I would be more concerned about the kid than him with other dogs) you could have a big liability on your hands. I would keep him on a long line and work on his "come" and hey if it takes food to make him come to you,,so be it, keep treats on you at all times. I would also contact your breeder and ask for assistance,,if he is the one in your avatar he is gorgeous !! __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

04-30-2010, 05:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	shock collar is an idea, however , I would never advise someone to use one unless they knew what they were doing.. another thought, why not email Lou Castle? He is a member of this board and a trainer who deals with alot of problem dogs,,he may be able to give you some good suggestions/advice __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

04-30-2010, 05:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
ZAYDA Master Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: KENOSHA WI. Posts: 707	He needs to earn his freedom for sure. Just an idea I never used one but what about a shock collar.

04-30-2010, 05:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
MaggieRoseLee The Agility Rocks! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bushkill, PA (The Poconos!) Posts: 22,215	Did you go to the training WITH your dog? Or send him away? Big difference. __________________ MACH2 Bretta Lee Wildhaus CGC TC TQX Glory B Wildhaus NA, NJ, NF + LOL (still) "*Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde*

04-30-2010, 06:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
khrisr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 32	We didnt send him away. We had the trainer show us how to train him. So we did the work. He was doing so good and then up and changed in the last few months. He will be 3 May 7th. We have contacted him, and just did a controlled exposure to the girl, he was fine with her. She was coming over to our house to help me out with my kids. I am not worried about the neighbors dog, just wanted to use what hes doing with him as an example. I am more worried about his reaction to her and if he will keep doing it to her. __________________ My kids, my dog, my horse, my cat, and my husband are my life. Nitro: GSD 4 years Star: Arab/Quarter 5 MiaKoda: BLM Mustang Mare Children: 18, 5, and 3.

04-30-2010, 10:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
khrisr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 32	I realize my last post doesnt make alot of sense. Ok. Today the girl came over, we try to help her and her mom out while her moms at work and allow her to stay over here. She in turn helps me out with my five and two year old so I can get other things done. We had Nitro on a lead and all he wanted to do when she came in was smell her. But yesterday when she came into our yard, he lost it. I only used the example of her dog as a way to explain what he was doing to her. And I figure some back story on Nitro might help. I really do not want to loose my dog, but if he is too much dog for my family and I, needing a home with a more experienced owner, then I will do whats best for my dog. I can try changing up his training. Things have been hard since I got really sick a few months ago. I find I am exhausted and weak alot of the time. But I am willing to try. __________________ My kids, my dog, my horse, my cat, and my husband are my life. Nitro: GSD 4 years Star: Arab/Quarter 5 MiaKoda: BLM Mustang Mare Children: 18, 5, and 3.

05-02-2010, 11:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
sit,stay Knighted Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,056	Hey, welcome from another Idahoan! I live just outside of Boise and I can give you the names of two very experienced trainers to work with. Please let me know if you are interested and I can PM those names and their contact info to you. Sheilah

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