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Old 01-28-2014, 09:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Which avenue to take? Keep on RAW w/loose stool?

Luger's approaching 8 weeks now and has been doing great! He's quite the terrorist with feet/pants/hands, but we're working on that. Crate and house training are going really well! He knows "sit", but is selective on "come."

I do have a question or two regarding some feeding issues. I have a couple of ideas to try, but wanted to see what others' opinions are.

We started him on BBW Puppy. We just bought a small bag to try so that we weren't out a lot of $$$ if it didn't work out. I've also been feeding him raw for lunch. I don't mix the kibble and raw, he just gets kibble during the mornings/evenings and a mix of ground chicken/broc/yogurt and occasionally an egg (small pieces of chicken heart/livers too).

He loves the kibble and licks the bowl clean with raw! However, his poo has been a bit mushy. It varies between firm and soft. I'm reading, now, that BB gives some dogs the soft poos, so I'm thinking of switching to an adult food, which also seems to be the popular opinion (feed adult all the time vs puppy/large breed puppy).

The questions I have are:

1. Is how I'm feeding okay? Seems any raw is better than none. Goal is to be all raw at some point, but for now is it alright to do kibble/raw/kibble for the daily schedule?

2. It would make sense to stop either kibble or raw to try to find out which one is the culprit. Good idea, or stick with the same feedings, just get a different brand of kibble to try?

FWIW, he gets about 2 cups of kibble during the day and the raw probably comes out to roughly a cup. How are these amounts? He doesn't seem too heavy or slim.
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Don't mix raw and kibble. They digest at different rates. I will nearly promise you that it's the combo causing the problem.
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Several people on here do both.

Could be the broccoli and the yogurt.

Definitely ditch the broccoli.

Have you been feeding raw with any bone in it? If not, remove some muscle meat, add a couple of chicken necks and see how it goes. The amount you are feeding sounds right to me.

How much liver are you giving him? That is something that can make poos soft.
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Don't mix raw and kibble. They digest at different rates. I will nearly promise you that it's the combo causing the problem.
For clarification, do you mean do not feed raw at all or kibble at all? The two foods are not mixed during the same feeding. He gets only kibble or only raw.

I've read not to mix them due to the digestion rates, which is why I keep them separate, but if the digestion rates are so different that the time between the three meals is the problem then I'll definitely cut one out.

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I've heard "one or the other"...never bought it with my ferrets, but never did it with my dogs. One or the other.

Sabo had soft serve poop on kibble. Didn't matter what kind. Raw straightened that out right away. Until he got giardia, but that's not raw related.

I'd ditch the cheese and broccoli. Start removing one thing at a time. and see what helps it get better.
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Several people on here do both.

Could be the broccoli and the yogurt.

Definitely ditch the broccoli.

Have you been feeding raw with any bone in it? If not, remove some muscle meat, add a couple of chicken necks and see how it goes. The amount you are feeding sounds right to me.

How much liver are you giving him? That is something that can make poos soft.
Okay, I'll get rid of the broccoli...smells nasty anyway, I hate it.

I have not been giving him any bone yet. I've got a possible lead on where to buy some chicken necks, I just need to get out there. THANKS for the reply on the amount; that's one thing I was really concerned with.

As far as the liver, I was wrong- it's a package of chicken hearts and gizzards. I went to look to be sure. As far as the amounts, I usually take a piece about the size of a grape and slice it into the meal. Trying to stick to roughly 80/10/10 by eyeballing it.
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I've heard "one or the other"...never bought it with my ferrets, but never did it with my dogs. One or the other.

Sabo had soft serve poop on kibble. Didn't matter what kind. Raw straightened that out right away. Until he got giardia, but that's not raw related.

I'd ditch the cheese and broccoli. Start removing one thing at a time. and see what helps it get better.
Not feeding him cheese.
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Ahhhh. Gizzards gave Hans the runs.

They are considered MM. They are also rather fatty.
Gizzards, heart and lung are muscle meats. Spleen, kidney, liver, thymus, pancreas, are organ.

If you feed a raw meal, you have to feed bone. Try a Cornish game hen. Give her 1/4 of it and see how she does.
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Ahhhh. Gizzards gave Hans the runs.

They are considered MM. They are also rather fatty.
Gizzards, heart and lung are muscle meats. Spleen, kidney, liver, thymus, pancreas, are organ.

If you feed a raw meal, you have to feed bone. Try a Cornish game hen. Give her 1/4 of it and see how she does.
Awesome, great info!

I'll cut out the gizzards and keep the hearts. Great idea on the CGHens. I'll try that once I get back from my trip. Will make sure to get some bone in there!
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I agree that a raw diet needs some bone. Also, if feeding partial raw, I would invest in a scale to help you weigh the food. Pups on a full raw diet should eat between 2-3% of their expected adult weight. For me, the weight of the meal is just the meat/bone. Anything like yogurt is a topper and doesn't get weighed. When feeding my pup, I also take into consideration that I am feeding a lot of training treats (mine is a dehydrated raw so it is balanced) and I ended up lowering the food a bit since over feeding can also cause loose stools.


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