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Old 01-03-2014, 06:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

On the second week of living with my now 10 week old boy Tiberius. He has been a great puppy so far and is lively (bitey ) and smart. The breeder I got him from had him on Sportmix Energy plus. Unfortunately, I didn't get any along with him and wanted to make sure I had food readily available for him.

I ended up getting him grain free Blue Freedom. He enjoyed eating it, but has had gas and loose stool all throughout the bag. It was a small bag though, so I mixed in a small amount of Blue Wilderness Puppy (Chicken) under the assumption that a smaller amount of more protein-rich kibble would agree with him.

He had his first vet checkup on the 1st and his stool sample came back negative. He is still having the squirts.

I have read plenty of threads here naming Blue Wilderness (And even chicken flavor specifically) as the culprit. I'm not positive, but I believe he is also giving off a tiny amount of dandruff and likes biting his hindquarters. I think he may be kind of itchy and dried out. I have been combing him regularly and keeping him smooth, but he still likes to nibble his quarters.

I am wanting to switch him to a higher quality kibble that will firm him up and get him more regular. I feel terrible as I think he has been in discomfort with his gas and upset tummy. Is it possible this is being caused by overfeeding? I have reduced his 3 meals a day from 1 cup to 2/3 to attempt to weed that out as a cause.

He had some stress from a 4 hour car ride home from the breeder and meeting a bunch of relatives over Christmas/New Years, but he is getting quite comfortable with his schedule.

I have been looking at other higher quality options before switching him to raw when he is old enough. I have been looking at Acana Pacifica and Orijen Large Breed Puppy. Is there a good possibility this switch will help him out?

Sorry for the narrative. Thanks for any additional advice!
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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likes biting his hindquarters. I think he may be kind of itchy and dried out
That is allergy. Any puppy would gobble whatever you feed him. GSD is a breed must be raised on raw - that is the only way to raise a healthy dog. And better - organic. He needs yogurts, cottage cheese, fish, raw chicken, raw rabbit and beef mince 100 gramms twice a week - all necessary vitamins and minerals the carnivour gets from fresh raw meat. Your dog's young organism would struggle until he's really sick at 7-9 months, than the system will fail. Would you feed your baby dry bisquits as well ? Stop experimenting.

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Old 01-03-2014, 07:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Your dog's young organism would struggle until he's really sick at 7-9 months, than the system will fail. Would you feed your baby dry bisquits as well ? Stop experimenting.
I'm unsure of what you're implying...that the entire dry dog food industry is wrong for even recommending a kibble for German Shepherds? There seem to be plenty of stories of, what I would consider, healthy pups through to adulthood on food other than what you have listed. And by "experimenting" do you mean me putting him on his first consistent food since I got him and seeking advice for the next?
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High quality kibble or raw is best. Not all dogs do well on all high quality foods. IE: My dog might do great on Orijen and yours may not. Sometimes it takes trial and error to find the "best" food for you individual dog. If Blue brand as a whole is not keeping your pup at his best be all means change his food (slowly if possible).

That said, your pup doesn't need to be a certain age to be raw fed. Many breeders wean their pups to raw. If raw is something you want to do in the future, why not read up, educate and do it now.

Either way, you will gets lots of opinions on diet here. Hope your pup is feeling better soon and Best of Luck!
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I would try a different food. I have had luck with Fromm LBP. Make sure he doesn't get dehydrated. Maybe ask the vet for some flagyl. Can add a teaspoon of plain pure pumpkin to help firm him up.
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I'm unsure of what you're implying...that the entire dry dog food industry is wrong for even recommending a kibble for German Shepherds? There seem to be plenty of stories of, what I would consider, healthy pups through to adulthood on food other than what you have listed. And by "experimenting" do you mean me putting him on his first consistent food since I got him and seeking advice for the next?
Read through some of David's posting history and then see how much credence you want to give his opinion.
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Read through some of David's posting history and then see how much credence you want to give his opinion.
Just wanted to make sure I understood what he was implying...that NOT feeding my dog raw will spell death before adolescence? Geez...

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I would try a different food. I have had luck with Fromm LBP. Make sure he doesn't get dehydrated. Maybe ask the vet for some flagyl. Can add a teaspoon of plain pure pumpkin to help firm him up.
Thank you, I'll look into Fromm. He has been getting the water quite a bit, but have made sure it is readily available. Filtered water only and no rain water when we're outside. I did hear about pumpkin and will give that a shot. Thanks

I will be looking into feeding raw immediately though and working him into it. I was under the incorrect impression that pooches had to be older to handle the diet. Makes sense that puppies would be able to handle it as well as that is how it would be in the wild.
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My husband and I have debated on raw vs. high quality hard foods. We got our GSD about 4 weeks ago. He is now 9 weeks old. Our breeder recommended Diamond. As soon as we got him we switched him to Blue Buffalo Puppy food. Since he was weened off so early (5 weeks old) we mixed in Blue Buffalo soft food with the hard. Now he is completely on the hard food. He does great with it. His stool has hardened up compared to what it was and doesn't have any issues with his stomach(his was really runny). Back to the raw food debate. We took Huck to the Vet about two weeks ago and I asked the Vet what she recommended. She said of course, raw food is good, but Blue Buffalo was good also. She said that raw doesn't have a some of the crucial vitamins that high quality hard food does. She said that we would have to give him additional supplements for hips, etc. Obviously, others may argue but for the time being that's what we are doing.


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My husband and I have debated on raw vs. high quality hard foods. We got our GSD about 4 weeks ago. He is now 9 weeks old. Our breeder recommended Diamond. As soon as we got him we switched him to Blue Buffalo Puppy food. Since he was weened off so early (5 weeks old) we mixed in Blue Buffalo soft food with the hard. Now he is completely on the hard food. He does great with it. His stool has hardened up compared to what it was and doesn't have any issues with his stomach(his was really runny). Back to the raw food debate. We took Huck to the Vet about two weeks ago and I asked the Vet what she recommended. She said of course, raw food is good, but Blue Buffalo was good also. She said that raw doesn't have a some of the crucial vitamins that high quality hard food does. She said that we would have to give him additional supplements for hips, etc. Obviously, others may argue but for the time being that's what we are doing.


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Thanks for the feedback. I was under the impression that Blue was a decent kibble and was recommended Wilderness at the store. Took a quick read and noted that it was grain free. I'm wondering how much of it has been caused by stress and the hard switch from what he was raised on previously. He has had stool of varying consistency (some a quasi firm, but many pudding-like, and some were more explosive diarrhea). I feel as though some of the initial problems may have been set on by my slight over-feeding. I've read that many don't follow the guidelines on the package.

I think I will switch to raw, but will do it gradually as to not shock his system once again...
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Hi Corvus!
There are different ways to feed raw. If you don't have the space, the following 2 ways avoid having to purchase a freezer to hold a lot of individual components such as organs, raw meaty bones and muscle meat, etc.

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Let me know if you need any more info.


Good luck!

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