My Vets, semi successful argument against All Raw meat diet???

[Verivus]

There are so many threads on feeding dogs veggies if you use the search. Just a recent one:

Vegetables?

A link I've posted before:
Raw Feeding at its finest-CAUTION-GRAPHIC PHOTOS

A good link Lisa has posted before:
Myths About Raw: Do wolves eat stomach contents of prey?


For those of you asking about how to feed raw properly... use the search option. There are a million threads on it on this forum alone, not counting the millions of other threads on other sites. Essentially (following the prey model) you are feeding 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, 5% liver 5% other organs. The protein sources MUST be varied. Your dog cannot be eating *just* chicken or *just* beef because then you WILL run into deficiencies of certain vitamins/minerals because it is not a *balanced* diet.

At minimum you should have 3 different protein sources being rotated. Not just 3 difference sources of muscle meat, but also 3 different sources of organ meat as well. If you can provide different bone sources that is also ideal. More is better. If you're limited on choices, red meat is better then white meat. If you cannot provide multiple protein sources on a regular basis (bimonthly is NOT a regular basis) you either need to look at where the deficiencies are and supplement, or go back to kibble.

[GlennM]

This will be my first post on this board, something I have wanted to do for a long time.

We have a two year female GSD (Kimba) who is extremely fussy with her diet. She will not eat any kibble whether the highest of high end or the lowest garbage on the market ( there is alot of these).

I am fortunate to work for a meat wholesaler, so I make her food. Not quite a Barf diet, but my version.

I use an inside round (25 lbs), 14 lbs chicken breast. Which I cut into cubes and cook them. Sweet potatoes, Khale, Spinach and apples are also cooked and pureed. She gets 1 cup of beef, 1 cup of vegetable mix and 3/4 cup of chicken breast. Twice a day. This will make about 21 days worth of food. She has no problem with this food ( she also loves can Tripe). Our Vet sees no problem with this version. Kimba is quite healthy,active and has been eating this for 18 months.

I often wondered if I was doing the right thing or maybe doing more harm than good. This board and its members have been a great help.

At work we sell alot of Chicken Necks and Backs to dog owners, some grind,some feed direct. So if your looking for a supply, contact your local meat distributor/wholesaler they should be able to help. Thanks Glenn & Kimba

[onyx'girl]

Originally Posted by Bonnie Corcoran

What is green tripe? We feed our dogs cooked green beans twice a week and I notice that the shepherd no longer tries to gobble down grass when we are walking so it looks like they do need greens of some sort.

A Place for Paws - Columbiana, Ohio - Tripe - The Other White Meat

[3ToesTonyismydog]

Your vet is correct. Wild dogs/wolfs do eat whats in their preys stomach. All dogs need some ingredient variety, but I believe"muscle" meat should be the highest percent of a dogs diet. Keep in mind dogs need a variety of vitiumns just like we do.

[3ToesTonyismydog]

Originally Posted by GlennM

This will be my first post on this board, something I have wanted to do for a long time.

We have a two year female GSD (Kimba) who is extremely fussy with her diet. She will not eat any kibble whether the highest of high end or the lowest garbage on the market ( there is alot of these).

I am fortunate to work for a meat wholesaler, so I make her food. Not quite a Barf diet, but my version.

I use an inside round (25 lbs), 14 lbs chicken breast. Which I cut into cubes and cook them. Sweet potatoes, Khale, Spinach and apples are also cooked and pureed. She gets 1 cup of beef, 1 cup of vegetable mix and 3/4 cup of chicken breast. Twice a day. This will make about 21 days worth of food. She has no problem with this food ( she also loves can Tripe). Our Vet sees no problem with this version. Kimba is quite healthy,active and has been eating this for 18 months.

I often wondered if I was doing the right thing or maybe doing more harm than good. This board and its members have been a great help.

At work we sell alot of Chicken Necks and Backs to dog owners, some grind,some feed direct. So if your looking for a supply, contact your local meat distributor/wholesaler they should be able to help. Thanks Glenn & Kimba

PERFECT, ONE GREAT DIET IF I MAY SAY SO, a little fish would be even better. I am lucky enough to have a great butcher in my area, along with an asian market where I can get frozen pollack fillets for 1.89 a pound. LOL, TRIPE, PE-UUUUU.

[Verivus]

Originally Posted by GlennM

I use an inside round (25 lbs), 14 lbs chicken breast. Which I cut into cubes and cook them. Sweet potatoes, Khale, Spinach and apples are also cooked and pureed. She gets 1 cup of beef, 1 cup of vegetable mix and 3/4 cup of chicken breast. Twice a day. This will make about 21 days worth of food. She has no problem with this food ( she also loves can Tripe). Our Vet sees no problem with this version. Kimba is quite healthy,active and has been eating this for 18 months.

I often wondered if I was doing the right thing or maybe doing more harm than good. This board and its members have been a great help.

You need to learn more about home-cooked diets. I'm pretty sure that is not balanced, but I've never done home-cooked. Too complicated for me.

[Wild Wolf]

Originally Posted by 3ToesTonyismydog

Your vet is correct. Wild dogs/wolfs do eat whats in their preys stomach. All dogs need some ingredient variety, but I believe"muscle" meat should be the highest percent of a dogs diet. Keep in mind dogs need a variety of vitiumns just like we do.

Please don't spread misinformation, you are incorrect. Wolves do not eat stomach contents.

[lone Ranger]

Originally Posted by sparra

Just a word of caution.....here in Australia you need to be very careful when it comes to feeding internal organs of livestock including sheep, cattle, goats, kangaroo etc due to the high incidence of hydatid tapeworm in our environment .....not sure about the US but over here it is an issue. You would have to buy it from a butcher selling for human consumption.

Hello Sparra, good looking Black GSD there... My 12 week old (tomorrow) Black GSD Working Dog type, is THRIVING!! Larger and smarter than my other Shepherds, and twice with a steer out, he displayed natural herding instincts on the lead as we pushed the steer back into his paddock!! I am in the Sunshine Coast, you're in Melbourne from memory. I will be in Melbourne from about the 5th to 12th of March for the big Caravan and Motorhome Show where we will be exibiting, staying at the Casino, partying every night.. Deadening the Pain of dealing with the Public at the Shows..

Anyway, thanks for the Tip on the Tapeworm, and here is one back to you: Not only Human Butcher, but also I get the Organ meat from an Organic Butcher. Any pesticides, hormones, fertilizer, or herbicide residues would likely have traces in the liver and kidneys. My Organic Butcher organ meat, chopped up, in kilo packets and freezer wrapped is $4.98 kg. I think it is worth it, as a kg is sort of a half week supply or more at 20%-30% to muscle meat beef, chicken.


Kind regards, lone Ranger doing "Dances with Wolves" with GSDs and Horses in Oz...

[GatorBytes]

Originally Posted by GlennM

This will be my first post on this board, something I have wanted to do for a long time.

We have a two year female GSD (Kimba) who is extremely fussy with her diet. She will not eat any kibble whether the highest of high end or the lowest garbage on the market ( there is alot of these).

I am fortunate to work for a meat wholesaler, so I make her food. Not quite a Barf diet, but my version.

I use an inside round (25 lbs), 14 lbs chicken breast. Which I cut into cubes and cook them. Sweet potatoes, Khale, Spinach and apples are also cooked and pureed. She gets 1 cup of beef, 1 cup of vegetable mix and 3/4 cup of chicken breast. Twice a day. This will make about 21 days worth of food. She has no problem with this food ( she also loves can Tripe). Our Vet sees no problem with this version. Kimba is quite healthy,active and has been eating this for 18 months.

I often wondered if I was doing the right thing or maybe doing more harm than good. This board and its members have been a great help.

At work we sell alot of Chicken Necks and Backs to dog owners, some grind,some feed direct. So if your looking for a supply, contact your local meat distributor/wholesaler they should be able to help. Thanks Glenn & Kimba

What are you supplimenting - you need 900mg of calcium per pound of food if you are not giving RAW bones...otherwise she is NOT getting what she needs...18 months w/o calcium and phos is not good

[Jax08]

GlennM -She definitely needs bone in her diet. the easiest way is to feed poultry necks, backs or chicken quarters...RAW...no cooked bones!