Thanks for the replies, everyone. I guess I should try and stop the wet food and see if that helps - didn't even think of that.
Is cal/phos ratio something i need to worry about??? I know you want it low - but is 1.4/1 too high??? Fromm had the lowest (ugh yet another reason why I liked it) 1/0.95%. BB is 1.2/0.95 and TOTW is 1.4/1%. I just am concerned about bone health and do not wanna feed him something that will cause him damage. At what age do I not need to worry about the cal/phos levels?? Many of the adult foods have a high cal/phos ratio.
If your dog hasn't had good stools on any of the foods you've given him, you're really going to have to start looking into the ingredients a lot more. Seeing what you have/have not given him and what he does better on and what he does worse on. Fromm is an excellent food to try that with because they have tons of different proteins. Your dog is old enough to get off of puppy food at this point and many of the Fromm grain free foods have just as much or even more protein than their LBP food.
LBP is duck based, so maybe go with a different protein. Whitefish/salmon is always a good one to try when the regular proteins might not be agreeing with your dog's tummy.
Is it usually the proteins they are sensitive to?? Or could it be ANY of the ingredients - even like the oatmeal, flaxseed, peas etc??? BB LBP (What he is currently on, he has just finished the transition period so now its 100% BB - no fromm mixed in) has chicken as the main protein so I will see if that helps, also while taking the wet food out. If his stools are still not better (and the gas
), I am going to try the TOTW puppy, the protein is bison and lamb.
Is 5 months old, old enough for him to be on an adult food?? I was told to keep him on it until a year old.
Well it's been my experience that the wet food could also be causing a bit of loose stool. I found when switching foods, it takes a good two weeks to see the stools firm up from the switch also. And it may take three weeks before they look normal color wise. If he was just a little pup in September, it takes a while before they stop eating all sorts of stuff too---that can impact stools additionally.
My dog did very well on Orijen, But never loved it. Recently I switched him to Pioneers Natural Venison formula. It's grain free and uses sweet potatoes and yams instead of russet potato. A 30 pound bag costs $48.95.
HE FREAKING LOVES IT.
I will have to check out that food. Yep - he still is in the phase of ingesting everything -lol.
We feed Blue Buffalo, Willie and Simone do great with it, Zane can get some loose stools. I add some pumpkin, for a treat every day. They all love the pumpkin and it helps Zane. I'd love to find the magic food that doesn't cost $50 per 30# and they all tolerate.
Do you just add pumpkin puree? Mixed in with their food? I did that for a few days and it did help his stools a bit - just wasnt sure if i could add it in permanently everyday.
Overfeeding can also cause loose stools. Just an option. With any kibble, I do use supplemental digestive enzymes. Not sure if that is good advice but I find things work better that way. I figure they are not built to digest starches and you can pick your starch with any kibble; they all have it be it potatoes or grains or peas.
I had heard about the overfeeding causing it...he is 5 months old and I feed him about 3.5-4 cups a day plus the small portion of wet food with his dinner. He is fed three times a day, a little over 1 cup at each feeding. He eats all his food within 5 minutes at each meal. He weighs somewhere around 50 pounds, he is lean and in shape, not too skinny, not chubby at all. Does it seem like he is eating too much?? I do supplement with digestive enzymes - started this about 2 weeks ago, but havent noticed much of a change yet.
you're right, choosing food is no walk in the park.
it's a pet in the pet store,
. when feeding pumpkin
i suggest usuing fresh pumpkin (baked) or in a can
( nothing added). maybe there's something in the
puppy food that's not working for your pup. try
Haha yeah a very long walk in the pet store. I spend more time looking into his food than I do mine!
Have you looked into Earthborn Holistic? It's sold at speciality stores and online, and is probably the least expensive of all of the premium brands (Orijen, Acana, Fromm, etc) and still had really good ingredients. I think it's like $40 something for the largets bag.
I just checked out their website. Is their puppy/adult formulas okay for a LBP?? I will have to ask the local feed store if they carry this brand next time I stop in there. Thanks.
I feel your pain!!! I looked at foods for a week.. like 100 hours put in altogether before settling on Innova. Then a week ago I thought maybe I'd change him to something else. Decided at this point I'm NOT going through that again! Acana was recommended to me from the guy at the store... after Orijen. The increase in protein is just too much with Orijen, IMO. I decided to just stick with the Innova for now and re-think things when he's older and 'working' more. Earthborne I think was a recommended food that wasn't so expensive, too. If they change the formula on Innova, I'm really going to be in a pinch. A lot of foods are made by the same company, so you may want to look into that, too. Food recalls are at the top of my list, because my boy's dad was poisoned by a high end food that was recalled.
I agree that the wet food (especially since it's a different kind) could be causing the runs.
Acana/Orijen were also recommended to me as well, but they are just ridiculously expensive, and really high in protein. I have put so many hours into researching food for berlin as well! Its ridiculous lol! And yep - food recalls are on top of mine too, thats why I liked the Fromm bc its based out of WI I believe, and hadn't had any problems w/ recalls (to my knowledge). Wow, he was poisoned by a recalled food?! Do you mind me asking what brand?! Thats terrible
Find a good food and get the kibble and stick with just one thing for a bit. With adding pouches of this and cans of that, you'll never narrow down where the loose stool is originating. There are quite a few good foods to choose from out there, off the top of my head of the most popular among our clients I'd say TOTW, Orejen, Acana, Nature's Variety Instinct, Evangers and Innova seem to be doing well. We didn't have good luck with TOTW, but many of our clients swear by it. When we run across a client having issues with loose stool we recommend the Nature's Variety Instinct since it has Tapioca in it which is very helpful with irritated digestive systems. Mostly we tell people to pick one and stick with it for a few weeks to allow the dog to totally adjust to it and then make a judgement. If they don't seem to improve after a good try THEN consider changing. Sometimes it's the protein source itself, we have one dog who just can't do beef, when we switched him to a chicken based food he improved in a matter of weeks. So now everyone at our house is on a chicken based food for simplicity.
Thanks. I am going to stop adding the wet food for a while. He was on the Fromm for over 2 months, and I know in the beginning I didn't supplement with wet food right away. But he also was a 10 week old puppy who ate alot of dirt and what not, so maybe if BB and TOTW dont work I will have to try the Fromm again without the wet food. UGH so confusing!
I usually finish the bag of food before I change again, so he has time to adjust to the BB and see if it helps him. I have been trying the change the protein source as well, Fromm was duck, BB is chicken. The wet food pouches were beef.
Thanks! That site did help!