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#1 ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXR_CYKcyr4

Very instructive video for the many who think their untrained dog will protect them because they bark and act tough.

This is why having the RIGHT drives, training and temperment in a GSD are so important. Otherwise you end up with the weaknes all 3 of those dogs represented.

The Mal was an embarrassment.
 
#5 · (Edited)
The bite sleeve is easier to bite for most dogs then the person himself so it was actually easier then a real break in would be. He would probably have used the sleeve to block an attack.
The decoy put next to no pressure on the dogs. The uncertain and fearful behavior the dogs displayed is an example of poor genetics.
There are many who truly believe their dog will protect them, this type of test is a good learning experience for those with that belief.
 
#7 ·
I know a few people who should see this, maybe I should make some cds and start handing them out haha.
My only concern is for dogs that are already bite trained - they are going to see the sleeve and know what to do. What if someone broke into a house with a 'professionally trained guard dog' and was wearing a hidden sleeve? I would love to see a test like that. That mal only half bit because it's owner told it to and it recognized the sleeve. Then it took off up the stairs.
 
#9 ·
bad genetics?

Only if those folks went to breeders that specifically bred proven protection dogs and got a dog that wouldn't or couldn't do the job.

Most 'oversize' German Shepherds come from breeders who don't compete or test their breeding stock in any way for example. In fact a lot of them seem to breed for easy going, laid back dogs.

So, I wouldn't call it bad genetics in this case I would just say the owners didn't do their research.....

The 'good' genetics are out there for those willing to put in the time and effort to research and put in the necessary training.
 
#11 ·
Another odd "set up".

So - in these scenarios we wanted these dogs to attack the guy who walks through the door?

Again, I never claimed my untrained dog would do anything. He would most likely escort you as you steal my stuff...if I'm home...he would most likely respond to my genuine scared as heck reaction, doing exactly what not sure. If my husband is home he's putting the dog in the same room as me and he's going to investigate alone - doesn't want the dog in the way. Be more afraid of my husband than the dog. lol

But for *me* I don't want my dog to attack anyone who walks through my front door - heck it could be grandma that he only saw once because she lives in another state or my neighbor who was given my permission to enter my home to see if I turned off my curling iron after I already left and remembered 1/2 way to work.

Finally - I don't want my dog to die because some crackhead wants to steal my VCR. Most home burglaries happen during the day when the bad guy knows you are not home. They do not want to come in contact with the home owner.

Paul - I agree. With the owner not home I would like to see a an IPO trained dog tested in this same scenario. What do these owners expect the dog to do?

Again, just an odd set up for me.
 
#12 ·
I got bit in the knee once by an untrained female black lab when I entered an apartment once. My wife was asked to feed and water and potty the dog while her owners went out of town for the week end. When she entered the apartment the lab pinned her to the wall. She called me for help and I got bit as soon as I opened the door. This was no protection trained dog but she knew what her Job was while her family was gone!
 
#13 ·
Ok my PC was acting up, got the video to load. Both the mali and GSD did bite, which is more then all the other "will my dog protect me" news clips I've seen.

Heck the GSD is a rescue with no protection training and the lady wanted him to be more aggressive when poor UPS guys are afraid to deliver packages?

Ugh really? Both the GSD and Mal did o.k. For the purposes of being a deterrent and willing to bite. I mean the average crook looking for an easy and fast in and out robbery isn't going to analyze how deep a bite the dog has on his arm and if it 'brings a fight'. Remember this is home protection not LEO patrol K9s?
 
#15 ·
I’m pretty sure blitz is posting this because of the thread that was resurrected a few weeks ago about an “untrained dog protecting.” With a bunch of people claiming that because their dog barks at the mailman, or has protected them while they were wrestling with a sibling, it would protect them from an intruder or an attacker walking down the street.
I’m with most of you, I don’t need my dog to protect me, but the truth is, when one night both dogs thought they heard a noise and alerted, I opened the bedroom door and allowed the two of them to go investigate first. I’ll add that my boy has started sport/protection training.
The other scenarios/tests people have mentioned would be cool to see, but again, there are many IPO people that will tell you they don’t believe their dogs have the nerve to protect them in a real situation. If choosing between my dog (6 months ago) when he wasn’t trained to bite a sleeve and today when he is, I’d rather have the one I have today. I’ve also witnessed a bunch of older dogs get tested for bitework and fail because they’ve been taught so much bite inhibition, and not allowed to engage in rough play with a human, they never will if the situation to protect does present itself.
I think this video is just there to show how important training is if you 100% want to know the dog will protect you with “extreme measures.” I’m in 100% agreement that my dogs will deter 99.99% of crime that may happen to me or my home, but for that .01%, I’d much rather have a dog that was trained in some way to bite than one that wasn’t.
 
#16 ·
I was surprised the one owner wasn't happy that the dog let the man walk into the living room. I thought the dog did a great job taking charge and escorting the man back out. But I am totally inexperienced at protection so maybe I am totally wrong.

I not only think my dog wouldn't protect the house, but I think he would run and get his toys to try to get the stranger to play with him. My ex-husband came into my home once when nobody was around (with my permission by phone), and he immediately let my dog out of the crate. He said my dog showed no suspicion and ran right to get his favorite ball, then went out in the yard with my ex and chased the ball. That said, my dog had probably seen my ex before when he came to pick up the kids, so maybe the dog recognized that he wasn't a stranger.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Wow some low standards around here..lol.

Ok the mal HAD bite training supposedly was sent to bite, mouthed the sleeve and would have run had the decoy placed any pressure on the dog. The owner was THERE to direct the dog and still he failed to bite a SLEEVE.

The GSD was afraid until the decoy teased him a bit, then he NIBBLED on the end of the sleeve I guarentee you if the decoy had even shouted he would have been gone.

The mastiff as with 99% of mastiffs was gone when the door opened..lol.

If you dont want or care if your dog protects the house why comment? I didnt start this thread to find out if your dog barks, it about home protection and the many misconceptions surrounding it.
Those dogs all had one thing in common, fear, lack of confidence and uncertainty. Useless for any real home protection as with most dogs.

(because I know many will say this over and over)
ONCE AGAIN who cares if your dog just barks and how you feel thats good enough, that has nothing to do with this topic.
 
#18 · (Edited)
The mal, per the report was just beginning training.

The GSD is a rescue.

The cane corso, thank goodness the dog doesn't bite! At least he seems to have some OB on him though.

Blitz, it's not low standards it's about being fair and looking at this in context. Rescues with unknown back ground, cane corso where it's probably wise to not have them bred for too much aggression, the mal, well who knows, maybe bad breeding or bad trainer/training.

Really what do you want the dogs to do? Disembowel intruders?
 
#21 ·
The mal, per the report was just beginning training.

The GSD is a rescue.

The cane corso, thank goodness the dog doesn't bite! At least he seems to have some OB on him though.

Blitz, it's not low standards it's about being fair and looking at this in context. Rescues with unknown back ground, cane corso where it's probably wise to not have them bred for too much aggression, the mal, well who knows, maybe bad breeding or bad trainer/training.

Really what do you want the dogs to do? Disembowel intruders?
The dogs themselves arent important its the response they offered. Ofcourse the dogs are useless, its the perception many have that their dog would react accordingly to such a situation. I guarentee the majority would end up with what we just saw.
If you have good genetics you get a different picture, you either end up with a dog that can be molded appropriately or one that does it on its own if it has the right mix of nerve, sharpness and teritorial instinct.

This all goes back to picking the right bloodlines and genetics.
 
#22 ·
those scenarios are well rehearsed , over the top , suspicion arousing , decoy engaged in interaction , clips worthy of a an academy award for cheesy performance.

not even close to the other set used which was ordinary home owners with someone entering through the front door , which is normal day to day occurrence . The dog(s) have been reinforced to accept people coming in . Confusion results.
 
#32 ·
look very carefully at the Rott . In the beginning I think he is going after the wrong set of legs . Dog totally ineffective. Looks like he has latched on to the guys belt and is playing tug of war.
He is willing to engage unlike most dogs, his targeting could be improved with some training. It would have been hard for a human to pick the right leg in that mess. He lets go circles and reengages. Its not like there was a convenient arm hanging out of the tangle to latch onto.
 
#31 ·
I don't know who you are asking , but yes , my dogs have been in Oklahoma Max prisons - working prison riot under tear gas -- given awards. I have had a dog that stopped an armed 3 man ambush , I'll get the newspaper article out of my files if you want details.
I had a dog with prisons in Ontario that did the body guard detail when Kissinger and other high dignitaries visited.

I know what it takes.

the more ordinary the person acts the better chance he has foxing the dog.
 
#35 ·
I don't know who you are asking , but yes , my dogs have been in Oklahoma Max prisons - working prison riot under tear gas -- given awards. I have had a dog that stopped an armed 3 man ambush , I'll get the newspaper article out of my files if you want details.
I had a dog with prisons in Ontario that did the body guard detail when Kissinger and other high dignitaries visited.

I know what it takes.

the more ordinary the person acts the better chance he has foxing the dog.
You did the training?
 
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