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lokimonster 05-10-2014 04:46 PM

E Collar for my 5 month old?
 
I have been wanting to allow my puppy (5 months old) some more freedom when I take him places like the dog friendly barn where I board my horse or open fields and off leash hiking trails. I feel bad that he always has to be on a leash as I don't currently have a yard. He sticks with me reliably when I have the long line on him… that is... until he sees an animal or person and that all goes out the window (LOVES meeting people… also high prey drive with cats/wild animals)! lol So I was kinda thinking about if an e-collar could be good for this purpose, just as a safety net type thing for recall so I could allow him more freedom.

I am not interested at all in using it for training or long term... I don't want to use it as a fix for any behavior problems… I would work on his recall, obedience, leash walking etc. without the e collar as usual. I just feel like right now it would improve his quality of life if he was allowed some off leash playtime, and thats the only way I can see that maybe happening in the near future.

So just wanted to hear what you all think… Is this a good or bad idea? Is he too young for it?

Nigel 05-10-2014 05:01 PM

I'd recommend you check out Lou Castle's site, Home
Too easy to mess up your dog if used incorrectly, learn its proper use as a training tool before putting one on your dog. Look for trainers locally well versed in proper use, lots of crappy trainers so choose carefully.

Chip18 05-10-2014 06:43 PM

Well you may not have exhausted all options.

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...allenging.html

Post 8 has some links that you might find useful, The E collar is not a tool to just strap on a dog and go at it! Takes skill and training, not my choice, till I find a "real" problem with a dog!

Pack aggression and Dog escaping yard are my "Red Zones" other that time time patience and figuring out what "I" am doing wrong is the way I work it. :)

Education is always the key find a trainer if your going that route

simba405 05-10-2014 07:09 PM

You want to work on his recall without the collar and then suddenly put it on when you go out? You expect him to understand that a zap means come to you?

If you're going to use the ecollar then I'd use it to teach the recall.

Either way if you expect a 5 month pup to always be close to you and listen out in the real world with all sorts of distractions then Imo you are setting the pup up to fail. No way a 5 month pup is anywhere close to being good off leash. You're just going to end up stimming the dog.

lokimonster 05-10-2014 08:18 PM

Thanks so much for your responses! Just to clarify… I was definitely NOT thinking of just slapping it on and zapping him! I have been reading on Lou Castles site the last couple days, and I think I like his way of teaching it. Of course I would spend plenty of time training my pup recall with the collar from the ground up to understand it and then once he understands I would only ever want to use it as a recall safety net. And if I ended up having to actually use it often, I would stop using it. I don't want to be always stimming him.

My purpose for getting an ecollar would be just for when I go to the stables where I keep my horse where he would have a lot of room to run and sniff around, and also on some off leash trails where I never see people/dogs. In both places when I let his leash drag and he is for the most part pretty glued to me. (He doesn't like me to be out of his sight… I wouldn't say he has separation anxiety, but he definitely is a velcro dog when I take him out places) So I don't think i would be needing to correct him much unless he goes after a rabbit or deer, in which case he kinda forgets about anything else.

Anyways, I am wary of e collars, and I really don't know if i want to go that route. Im just researching and was kind of wondering what people here thought about it. I appreciate any advice, info, or helpful articles!

Nigel 05-10-2014 08:39 PM

A bit older thread on superstition, but something folks new to e collars may not be aware of. There's some bickering, but also some good info too.

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-e-collar.html

e.rigby 05-10-2014 11:28 PM

Personally, I think 5 months is way too young for an ecollar. I'd highly recommend putting in more time and effort reinforcing your dog for coming to you vs blowing you off for other people or animals. Once your pup is older, an ecollar might make more sense, but right now, too young.

Gretchen 05-10-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by e.rigby (Post 5501585)
Personally, I think 5 months is way too young for an ecollar. I'd highly recommend putting in more time and effort reinforcing your dog for coming to you vs blowing you off for other people or animals. Once your pup is older, an ecollar might make more sense, but right now, too young.

I agree with this too.

Baillif 05-10-2014 11:52 PM

I'd do it

simba405 05-11-2014 02:36 AM

I'd do if it you're using it as a back up but you better make darn sure he knows the reason he's getting stimmed. If he's far from you and he gets stimmed he can develop all kinds of superstitious behavior (like getting close to a horse gets me shocked)


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