you can train a dog without an e-collar.
Sure can! and for some things you can train the more efficiently off lead WITH an e-collar.
I don't use an ecollar on my youngest dog, but I did teach her what it was about and can put it on her for offlead walks in rattlesnake country. But my dog Mike, it saved his life....because SOMEONE would have freakin' KILLED that dog if I didn't find a way to reach him. The e-collar did it.
--Regina and the GSDs:
UCDX von Sontausen Holy Grail (The BUNNY!) HGH, UD,RA,BN,GN, ASCA UD RAX High in Trial
PAM Monster Mike SchH2,UDX,OM1,TD,RE,VER
PAM FGDCh Ianna von Sontausen UDX,BH,TD,RE,PT (4.26.1998 - 2.11.2013)