Earlier I wrote,
Anyone who thinks that modern use of modern Ecollars involves "forc[ing a dog] into submission" is demonstrating how little they know about how the tool can be used.
Really ? The 8-10 sheps and the mals that I've owned or fostered must have been exceptions.
Yep, really. Not sure how owning a few dogs has anything to do with knowing the many ways that an Ecollar can be used. Can you tell us?
If you, or anyone else wants to use the tool that way, they can. But thinking that it's the ONLY way to do it, just shows, as I said, how little that person knows about how the tool can be used. Please, do us all a favor, read my article called Teach the Recall
and show us where the dog is "forced into submission."
The ecollar is a total last resort. If you have to rely on shocking your dog to listen then your training methods needs dressing up.
The Ecollar is far from a last resort. Perhaps you feel that way because you don't know much about the tool, as proven by your previous statement. Please show us where ANYONE in this discussion has said that they "have to rely on shocking [their] dog to [get him] to listen."
Guess you should get out the belt for the 3 year old that talks back too.
Thanks for AGAIN demonstrating how little you really know about Ecollars. Anyone who equates using one, to using a "belt for the 3 year old that talks back"
CLEARLY has no idea of ways that they can be used. You only display your lack of knowledge with statements like this.
The ecollar is a crutch for the trainer that can't devote the time a animal needs.
Please show us some advantage to taking MORE time to solve a problem, than it needs.
Try working the dog, work his tail end off. Figure out what he's good at and capitalize on it. When he's tired, then train.
Dogs learn best when they've NOT had their "tail[s] work[ed] off,"
just as does any animal. Since you're so fond of anthropomorphism, try this. Have a child run around a track till he's exhausted, and then try to teach him long division. He can't learn a thing, he's too busy trying to catch his breath. That's some pretty bad advice you've just given there.
Or you can just whoop him real guud!
ANOTHER example of your ignorance of the tool. These debate techniques might work on forums where very few people have experienced the tool. Here, you're not going to make much of an impression. If you'd like to learn something about the Ecollar rather than just repeat nonsense that you've read or heard from others, who know nothing about the tool, I'd suggest that you take a look at my articles. I've linked to the one on the recall and it's a good place to start.
Here's what we know about you from your previous posts.
- You can't get a group photo of your dogs because you're not able to "get them to settle down."
- You've got a 9-10 week old puppy who is being "aggressive" towards one of your other dogs ... You've "t[r]ied leash corrections, making him sit...[you're] at a loss."
- Previously you wrote that you've [i]"owned " dogs in [your] life..." Yet, in this post you write, "The 8-10 sheps and the mals that I've owned or fostered..." Which is it, "6-7 dogs" or "8-10" dogs?
- Regarding the "aggression problem" with this puppy, you state, "I'm guessing its his prey drive sparking up?" Drive, especially prey drive, doesn't manifest itself at this age except to the smallest degree.
- Back in May (just 7 months ago) you wrote, "The training will be a first, I've never taken a dog to a class before, it will be a learning experience for us both."
- You diagnosis your puppy's aggression as "fear type aggression" and then ask, "How do I work him into self confidence?"
- Your 14 week old dog is showing aggression toward other dogs and you ask, "Other than just socialization how do you train out fear aggression? ...What should I do when he starts barking at a dog 75' away, that has shown no threat? How do I redirect so I can reward the proper behavior?"
robfromga I really don't think you're experienced enough to be giving dog training advice OF ANY KIND here. You're not a trainer and in fact you've only been to one training class in your entire life of owning dogs, that one, as a student. You're welcome to your opinion, but people should be aware of your lack of experience in training dogs. Now they are.