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Old 12-07-2012, 09:41 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, thanks for the critique, but I actually took the time to PM Lou Castle and linked this post, telling him that someone could benefit from his expertise.

You never know what happens behind the scenes, and can't tell if someone did or did not actually do something to help in addition to what you see posted.
Thank you - I've done the same thing when there's an ecollar question.

To the OP - this is just a personal opinion (don't want to stomp on the toes of the Ellis fans). I also bought the Ellis videos. I couldn't GIVE them away, so I tossed 'em. Sgt Lou Castle is the Best around & there's no crapola with him. Go to him, please.

BTW - when you bring up this topic - there will ALWAYS be those that are against their usage. Personally, I wish the nay-sayers would just avoid these threads - they don't like the collars & will never find anything good to say about them. Just come here to fight, IMO.

I also was against the ecollars - UNTIL I WENT TO LOU'S FORUM. This man is a genius with years & years of frontline experience. He's not a fly-by-night turd looking to bilk $$ from those watching his "videos".

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Old 12-07-2012, 09:52 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Olivers' momma...the people who've posted on this thread are not anti e-collar nay-sayers. They(we) are telling the OP that learning how to use it effectively is very important! Starting a thread on how to use it is not going to work. From what I've read the OP wants a quick easy fix and with this breed there is none. Slow strong foundation training is what's needed in every aspect of training.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:02 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Well, if you read the post, they said they were scared of using it incorrectly, and they loved their dog to death and they were afraid of ruining him. This sounds to me like someone who just doesn't understand as much as many on this board. They were willing to come and ask for help here, and instead of the posts reading "Ecollars are excellent tools when used properly, please research some qualified trainers, talk to their clients and get some help in person, because it's too hard to teach this method and learn this method over the internet", they were told to "Stop and review the proper method of ecollars". Where? Where else to ask but a GSD forum? Obviously they don't know what ecollars are about. Maybe someone they know and respect in other venues advised them to get one.

I can tell you right now, some of my best friends in the world, highly educated, highly responsible and empathetic people in almost every way, have absolutely no freakin clue about how to raise a dog. As much as I love them, I actually think it may be a blessing that their oldest son is highly allergic to dogs, based upon behavior I've seen them exhibit at my house towards Rocket. Luckily I have a stable solid dog who just takes it in stride, albeit with a confused "Wha..?" The point being, as has been mentioned before, we all start somewhere and they at least had the instinct that they're not doing it right, therefore prompting the post here.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:07 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Um, no it's not about a closed club. I am simply not into myself enough to feel I am in a position to be giving strangers on the internet advice on the use of ecollars.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:10 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Oh, I LOVE the fact the OP came here for help! I just wanted to make sure some of the negative comments the OP has already gotten & those she hasn't gotten yet will not cause her to leave. Been there, done that. The use of the ecollar is probably the hottest topic here & causes the biggest clashes.

I don't think I was out of line for giving her the warning that this topic may spark controversy. She already saw it for herself & was going to return the collar... My suggestion was that Lou Castle be contacted.

And, as far as finding a topic that fits one's needs - in a forum as large as this - that truly is searching for a needle in a haystack. I'm VERY glad the OP came here.
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But why didn't you just say that in the beginning? The "Simply stop what you're doing and please find a qualified trainer to help you in person?"

The bolded sentence is what is frustrating for people. It is almost like there is a "closed club" of "in" people, who know what they're doing and don't want to share any info with us lesser "pet" owners. Fine if you don't want to endorse a particular book, video or trainer. But just telling someone to "review" doesn't really tell them anything, let alone help them to find the right direction.

It's not about whether *I* like it or not.
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Well, if you read the post, they said they were scared of using it incorrectly, and they loved their dog to death and they were afraid of ruining him. This sounds to me like someone who just doesn't understand as much as many on this board. They were willing to come and ask for help here, and instead of the posts reading "Ecollars are excellent tools when used properly, please research some qualified trainers, talk to their clients and get some help in person, because it's too hard to teach this method and learn this method over the internet", they were told to "Stop and review the proper method of ecollars". Where? Where else to ask but a GSD forum? Obviously they don't know what ecollars are about. Maybe someone they know and respect in other venues advised them to get one.

I can tell you right now, some of my best friends in the world, highly educated, highly responsible and empathetic people in almost every way, have absolutely no freakin clue about how to raise a dog. As much as I love them, I actually think it may be a blessing that their oldest son is highly allergic to dogs, based upon behavior I've seen them exhibit at my house towards Rocket. Luckily I have a stable solid dog who just takes it in stride, albeit with a confused "Wha..?" The point being, as has been mentioned before, we all start somewhere and they at least had the instinct that they're not doing it right, therefore prompting the post here.

This is what I'm saying.....again.

I'm done. Obviously people just read what they want. If you don't want to offer a suggestion, why bother posting? You don't have to give instructions or endorse, simply say certain methods require hands-on knowledge from experienced people to gain the most.
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I did offer a suggestion. Stop what youre doing
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Ok, I LOL'd at that. But surely you understand my point.....
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This is what I'm saying.....again.

I'm done. Obviously people just read what they want. If you don't want to offer a suggestion, why bother posting? You don't have to give instructions or endorse, simply say certain methods require hands-on knowledge from experienced people to gain the most.

Is it a full moon or something?

I DID offer a suggestion - to contact Lou Castle! You can't just read about how to use ecollars & expect to use them correctly. So I suggested Sgt Castle.

Geez...
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Lou has chimed in...others have suggested Lou. I think the OP understands that Lou's site is the place to go for the info. Whether or not she follows through consistently on the training will be key.
But before Lou posted, the OP had already been zapping her 14 month old pup for having the zoomies.
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