|12-30-2013, 12:16 AM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Mar 2013
Dog prefers cheap/crap kibble over good stuff!?
Currently feeding my 10month old Taste of the Wild puppy Buffalo food. She doesn't really care for it and only will eat it when she has too.
My wife feeds her pug Bentiful, and my GSD loves and tries to sneak it!
What's better? hungry and healthy or happy and eating mystery food?
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|12-30-2013, 12:33 AM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jul 2012
If you've ever had kids or seen kids eat breakfast...which do they prefer: Fruity Pebbles or unsweetened All Bran? Your dog is pretty much acting the same way, (expressing a preference for food with sugar and food coloring in it, no less).
Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), rice flour, beef, soy flour, water, meat and bone meal, propylene glycol, sugar, tricalcium phosphate, phosphoric acid, salt, animal digest, potassium chloride, sorbic acid (a preservative), dried peas, dried carrots, calcium propionate (a preservative), choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, Red 40, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Yellow 6, Yellow 5, Vitamin A supplement, Blue 2, calcium carbonate, copper sulfate, Vitamin B-12 supplement, brewers dried yeast, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.
Fruity Pebbles ingredients:
Rice, Sugar, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil (Coconut And Palm Kernel Oils), Salt, Contains Less Than 0.5% Of Natural And Artificial Flavor, Red 40, Yellow 6, Turmeric Oleoresin (Color), Blue 1, Yellow 5, Blue 2, Bha (To Help Protect Flavor). Vitamins and Minerals: Sodium Ascorbate (Source Of Vitamin C), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Niacinamide, Reduced Iron, Zinc Oxide (Source Of Zinc), Vitamin B6, Vitamin A Palmitate, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D.
|12-30-2013, 12:35 AM||#5 (permalink)|
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark, Ohio
The crappy food is full of garbage. But it has plenty of sugar -- molassis to make it tasty to the dog.
Also, the grass is always greener on the other side. My girls will leave their food to see what their neighbor has, oh! it's the same stuff, ok!
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|12-30-2013, 12:43 AM||#6 (permalink)|
Join Date: Mar 2013
Agree that most foods are loaded with awful chemically devised food products. Just thinking if I should switch her to another food. I've tried making it more tasty using broth or real meat
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|12-30-2013, 03:12 AM||#8 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Why not just switch the pug's food?
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|12-30-2013, 07:39 AM||#9 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Any young creature doesn't know what to eat and what to avoid. Mother-cows teach their calves what grass to eat, goats teach their kids what to eat, otherwise they will poison themselves with poisonous plants. Wolves teach their young to hunt mice and rabbits, and to ignore frogs and small birds. The young are taught to eat what they hunt as well. Normally, puppies will gobble anything you provide. You have to teach your puppy to eat raw beef mince ( with cooked pumpkin) by bringing it to your mouth and pretending that you eat it. I don't think, it is difficult to teach him eating yogurts, cottage cheese, or cooked chicken or fish. Raw beef mince is absolutely necessary twice a week.
Kibble has a synthetic enhancer - it is what smells attractive, but any Acana mainly is made of hooves and horns. Young organism will struggle up to 8-9 months of age, then liver and pancreas would start to show inability to metabolize resulting in vomiting and continuous diarrhea.
|12-30-2013, 09:08 AM||#10 (permalink)|
Join Date: Mar 2012
If you can't feed raw, the next best thing is The Honest Kitchen Dehydrated Foods. They are 100% Human Grade Ingredients (mostly organic) processed in a Human Grade facility. It is the ONLY pet food in the USA that the FDA will allow legally to use the words Human Grade on its advertising and packaging. A 10# box of Embark will cost about $75 but will RE-hydrate to 35 to 40 pounds.
I also agree with David T about adding raw meat a few times per week. When you pick up hamburger for yourself, purchase a couple of extra pounds for the pooch! Ground turkey and ground chicken too! Add 1/2 cup or more several times per week. Put warm water in his dish, add ground meat and stir to make it soupy, then add kibble, stir well, and let it set for 20 minutes to rehydrate and soak up the juices.
If you must feed kibble, Fromm’s has good quality NON Grain varieties. They also have their own plant in Wisconsin, so it is not farmed out to other manufacturing companies. Below are 2 examples.
FROMM’S: Four-Star Gourmet Recipes for dogs - Fromm Family Foods (look at the left hand "Non Grain" column)
BEEF FRITTATA: Protein 30% Fat 18% grain-free blend: ·First 10 Ingredients: Beef Peas Whole Egg Russet Potatoes Pea Protein Pork Meat Meal Beef Liver Sweet Potatoes Dried Tomato Pomace Salmon Oil Flaxseed Wisconsin Cheese. All Life Stages. $2.40-$2.60/LB
SURF & TURF: Protein 30% Fat 19% grain-free blend:·First 10 ingredients: Pacific Wild Salmon Duck Meal Russet Potatoes Pea Flour Sweet Potatoes Duck Chicken Fat Dried Tomato Pomace Salmon Meal Whole Dried Egg All Life Stages $2.40-$2.60/LB
Here is some added info to Magwarts post.
Beneful Healthy Radiance Dog Food
(“A Balance Of Real, Wholesome Ingredients And Quality Nutrition.” Dog Food and Snacks from Beneful®)
Ground Yellow Corn:In processed animal foods, a filler is an ingredient added to provide dietary fiber, bulk or some other non-nutritive purpose. Products like CORN and corncobs, feathers, soy, cottonseed hulls, peanut hulls, citrus pulp, screening, weeds, straw, and cereal by-products are often included as inexpensive fillers or low-grade fiber content. Many dog food companies are famous for using the cheapest grains they can find… usually by-products and rejects of the human food industry… cereal grain leftovers classified as “unfit for human consumption”. Corn is prone to deadly molds and is a risky ingredient if not carefully tested by the dog food manufacturing company. It has also been the root of numerous recalls in the past. Corn has been linked to many dog ailments such as allergies, joint swelling, BLOTE and there have been some cases of aflatoxin contamination associated with corn in dog food. Corn metabolizes in dogs similar to the way sugar metabolizes in humans. It's like feeding a child food that is high in corn syrup. The dog may experience energy rushes, crashes, hyperactivity and a hard time concentrating. Studies have also shown that high doses of corn can inhibit serotonin in the brain. Serotonin is an important chemical that reduces stress and anxiety. Dog food companies can also use GM (Genetically Modified) grains without declaring it on the labels! Dog food companies will not tell you if they use real, honest to goodness corn or GM (Genetically Modified) corn. You will have to decide for yourself whether or not you trust the brand of food you are using. But here is what a team of scientists found when Monsanto had to hand over its data after losing a court action to protect this information from the public: Effects of the GM corn were mostly concentrated in kidney and liver function, the two major diet detoxification organs, but in detail differed with each GM type. In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted.” See full report at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2793308/?log%24=activity
If a dog was lost out in the country and starving to death, would he run into a field and chow down on ears of corn or stems of wheat OR would he find some road kill or a nest of bunnies and eat that?
Chicken By-Product Meal:These are ground parts from poultry carcasses such as feet, heads, feathers, intestines, tumors, necks and undeveloped eggs and can included any rendered material including cancerous and diseased tissues. See “FACT” below.
Corn Gluten Meal:From AAFCO: The definition of Corn Gluten Meal is "the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. It may contain fermented corn extractives and/or corn germ meal." Again, remember, this could be Genetically Modified corn.
Whole Wheat Flour:Corn and WHEAT allergies are showing up as common allergens the same way they're showing up for people. They're cheap fillers in pet food and a buildup of them in your pet's body can cause an allergic reaction.
Animal Fat:“This ingredient determined by the FDA to possibly contain euthanized animals.” See “FACT” below. ALL ingredients should be NAMED.
Rice Flour:The rice flour in dog food is commonly a byproduct of human food production. Any type of “flours” in dog and cat food has no nutritional value, it is simply a filler.
Animal Digest: This meal is covered with charcoal and labeled "unfit for human consumption" before processing it into pet food. Digest can also include intestines, as well as the contents of those intestines, such
as stool, bile, parasites and chemicals. “This ingredient is determined by the FDA to possibly contain euthanized animals”. See “FACT” below.
SUGAR– SERIOUSLY???? It is the 9th ingredient listed on the package! Sugars promote tooth decay, diminish immune function, and can aggravate illnesses such as diabetes.
Yellow #5:From the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI): “Yellow #5: May be contaminated with such cancer-causing substances as benzidine and 4-aminobiphenyl (or chemicals that the body converts to those substances).
Red #40: From CSPI: "Red 40, the most-widely used dye, may accelerate the appearance of immune-system tumors in mice. The dye causes hypersensitivity (allergy-like) reactions in a small number of consumers and might trigger hyperactivity in children. Considering the safety questions and its non-essentiality, Red 40 should be excluded from foods unless and until new tests clearly demonstrate its safety."
Yellow #6:From CSPI: "Yellow 6 caused adrenal tumors in animals, though that is disputed by industry and the FDA. It may be contaminated with cancer-causing chemicals and occasionally causes severe
hypersensitivity reactions. Yellow 6 adds an unnecessary risk to the food supply."
Blue #2: From CSPI: "Blue 2 cannot be considered safe given the statistically significant incidence of tumors, particularly brain gliomas, in male rats. It should not be used in foods."
Menadione sodium bisulfite complex: synthetic vitamin K: Also termed as “menadione”, ‘sodium bisulfate’, “K-3”: Hazard information regarding menadione lists “carcinogenic effects” and states “the substance
is toxic to kidneys, lungs, liver, mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.”
Propylene Glycol:the 10th ingredient of 49 ingredients: This is a cousin to antifreeze! The Material Safety Data Sheet from the Department of Commerce provides the following warning regarding ingestion of propylene glycol: “May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Low hazard for usual industrial handling. May cause emoglobinuric nephrosis (which is oliguric renal failure: defined as an abrupt or rapid decline in renal filtration function or decreased output of urine). May cause changes in surface EEG.” http://www.sefsc.noaa.gov/HTMLdocs/PropyleneGlycol.htm
Copper Sulfate: is used is to control algae growths in impounded waters, lakes, ponds, reservoirs, and irrigation and irrigation drainage conveyance systems. Copper sulfate is also registered for use as a weed
seed treatment, for treatment of tree wounds, for control of fungi and fungal/bacterial slimes occurring in wood, and in water systems, including sewer pumps and force mains, pulp and paper mills, cooling towers and spray ponds.
Sodium Selenate: Science has since learned that these inorganic selenium sources (sodium selenite most commonly used in pet foods) can be toxic in high doses; effecting an animal’s blood, liver, and muscles.
ScienceLab.com states sodium selenite “may be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, skin, central nervous system. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
FACT:UnidentifiedMeats or Unidentified Fats: If the species cannot be identified, neither can the quality. Avoid ANY dog food products that use unidentified meats such as ‘Meat and Bone Meal’, ‘Meat Meal’,
‘By-Product Meal’, ‘Animal Digest’, and ANY unidentified fat such as “animal fat ” or “poultry fat” products in their foods. The problem with this is that the “unidentified fat” and “unidentified meats” are made from mostly unknown, non-specific sources including… Dead (no limit as to how long the animal has been dead and rotting in the sun before the renderer picks it up. The Maggots, Carpet Beetles, Hide Beetles and other parasites crawling all over the body are just a little extra added protein! L), dying, diseased, or disabled farm animals, rejects from slaughterhouse waste, meat by-products, discarded restaurant trap grease (yes, really), road kill (again, crawling with the little critters I mentioned above), dead zoo animals (that were probably pumped full of drugs while vets were trying to save them) and euthanized companion animals. The FDA writes contradictory statements to allow protection and leeway to the pet food industries. http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/01/Mar01/031501/c004175.pdf
Statement: A http://www.fda.gov/opacom/laws/fdcact/fdcact3.htmContradiction to Statement A relating to Law 402(a)(5) http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/cpg/cpgvet/cpg690-300.html
Hope this helps! Good Luck!