Hey jocoyn

3ToesTonyismydog · 02-09-2013, 11:01 PM

I am not dishing on you or anything like that. I know you don't like canola oil and I always thought it was a man made oil until I finally got off my duff and did a little research. How come you don't like it, since it is made from a plant seed. I realize this site is a push on the product overall, but I don't understand why you dislike it so much.

CanolaInfo | What is Canola Oil?

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msvette2u · 02-09-2013, 11:16 PM

It's horrible stuff and I would not use it - I'm not jocoyn though

We had some, it goes rancid very quickly and the smell/taste is horrible when it does. It's barely tolerable when it's still good

We got rid of it and use only olive oil now, or coconut oil.

It appears also that it's a GMO.
http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com....la-oil-healthy

Jax08 · 02-10-2013, 12:07 AM

IMO, canola oil is high in O6. Our animals, and us too, do not need more O6 in our diets. From what I've read, canola oil used to be processed from the rapeseed plant, which is toxic. Now, it is extracted from a hybrid of the rapeseed plant (the canola plant) that is not toxic. The canola plant is not a plant normally found in nature. It is a hybrid.

**jocoyn** · 02-10-2013, 06:15 AM

Bingo on the answers.

sparra · 02-10-2013, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3ToesTonyismydog

I know you don't like canola oil and I always thought it was a man made oil

LOL!!!! We grow about 2000 acres of the stuff every year over here in Australia on our farm.....it brings a very good return for us. If you ever get the chance to see it in full flower take it......it is one of the most beautiful sights. As for if it is bad for you.....we don't grow GM so it is not all GM.
There are many crops grown for food which are not found in nature.....they have all been messed with at some point to create new varieties etc suitable for different climates/extremes etc.

**jocoyn** · 02-10-2013, 07:15 AM

It is true that the original Canola was a man-made hybrid (not GMO just selecive breeding) to reduce the erucic acid. But over here over 90% of canola is the GMO form and, like corn, it infects the non GMO varieties.

There are protests going on in Mexico concerning the invastion of GMO corn and I am grateful for those with the foresight to put long term varieties of crop seeds in long term storage:
The Gaia Reports: Monsanto Profits Hit A New High - While Mexican & South American Farmers Protest Against The Invasion of GMOs

So, part of it is philosophical/political

Part of it is the inability to verify that the Canola in the dog (or human) food has NOT been sprayed with roundup (without studies, I am not going to accept the claim it does not get into the oil or does not cause health concerns.......there are precious little scientific studies to prove it is safe)

How good is it really? Here are some blips. Before you laugh this off, I still have to recall my Lipid biochemistry professor and undergradate research advisor (My degree in biochemistry in the 70s) Jumping up and down about trans fats as being terribly unhealthy ...... he was considered a bit of a lunatic in the 70s. Guess what. He was right. So I don't discount the small non-industry led scientists who are NOT looking at this from a profit motive raising questions one bit!

Canola Oil Health Risks | LIVESTRONG.COM

Some interesting pro and con discussions on the comments
How Healthy Is Canola Oil Really? | Eating Well

sparra · 02-10-2013, 07:31 AM

GM canola is only really just making its way into paddocks over here. Some are growing it but marketing it can be very difficult.
We refuse to grow it....never will.... but as long as there is a strong market for non GM canola we will have our fields of yellow.

**jocoyn** · 02-10-2013, 07:44 AM

I am certain there will continue to be a market for cold-pressed non GM canola oils.

The other comment I did not make had to do with the standard extraction process for the oil as opposed to more natural cold pressing techniques.

The big issue as I understand is if your neighbor plants the GM variety you may have some cross pollination whether or not you like it.

That is the issue with corn! LOL Monstanto even had the gall to sue farmers who "benefited" from having their crops "infected" with GMO pollen.
Organic farmers appeal Monsanto court ruling

EDIT - The FDA just approved GMO Salmon which grows 5 times faster than conventional salmon. Now the claim is that the fish are sterile and cannot repoduce themselves but there is some skepticism in that regard. . http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...nmentally-safe

Daisy&Lucky's Mom · 02-10-2013, 08:05 AM

I just saw this. I was told by drs. to switch to this ,canola instead of vegetable oil. In cooking I use olive oil ,dont fry much but if I saute its olive oil. I bake w/ canola though. Msvette's post about going rancid quicker is true. I remember some going rancid.Wow Ive never heard anything negative about canola before. The dogs get olive oil or fish oil.

**jocoyn** · 02-10-2013, 08:22 AM

Here is a nice chart - have to watch out for frying in EVOO

Canola is definitely controversial but if it goes rancid so fast how does it do in a bag of dog food that may sit for a long time and be subjected to high temperatures during transport in unrefrigerated trucks.

Choosing the right cooking oil | PCC Natural Markets

02-09-2013, 11:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
3ToesTonyismydog Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 1,022	Hey jocoyn I am not dishing on you or anything like that. I know you don't like canola oil and I always thought it was a man made oil until I finally got off my duff and did a little research. How come you don't like it, since it is made from a plant seed. I realize this site is a push on the product overall, but I don't understand why you dislike it so much. CanolaInfo \| What is Canola Oil? Canola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02-09-2013, 11:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
msvette2u Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Beautiful Pacific NW Posts: 11,005	It's horrible stuff and I would not use it - I'm not jocoyn though We had some, it goes rancid very quickly and the smell/taste is horrible when it does. It's barely tolerable when it's still good We got rid of it and use only olive oil now, or coconut oil. It appears also that it's a GMO. http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com....la-oil-healthy Last edited by msvette2u; 02-09-2013 at 11:21 PM.

02-10-2013, 12:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 19,029	IMO, canola oil is high in O6. Our animals, and us too, do not need more O6 in our diets. From what I've read, canola oil used to be processed from the rapeseed plant, which is toxic. Now, it is extracted from a hybrid of the rapeseed plant (the canola plant) that is not toxic. The canola plant is not a plant normally found in nature. It is a hybrid. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

02-10-2013, 06:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,853	Bingo on the answers. __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

02-10-2013, 07:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,853	It is true that the original Canola was a man-made hybrid (not GMO just selecive breeding) to reduce the erucic acid. But over here over 90% of canola is the GMO form and, like corn, it infects the non GMO varieties. There are protests going on in Mexico concerning the invastion of GMO corn and I am grateful for those with the foresight to put long term varieties of crop seeds in long term storage: The Gaia Reports: Monsanto Profits Hit A New High - While Mexican & South American Farmers Protest Against The Invasion of GMOs So, part of it is philosophical/political Part of it is the inability to verify that the Canola in the dog (or human) food has NOT been sprayed with roundup (without studies, I am not going to accept the claim it does not get into the oil or does not cause health concerns.......there are precious little scientific studies to prove it is safe) How good is it really? Here are some blips. Before you laugh this off, I still have to recall my Lipid biochemistry professor and undergradate research advisor (My degree in biochemistry in the 70s) Jumping up and down about trans fats as being terribly unhealthy ...... he was considered a bit of a lunatic in the 70s. Guess what. He was right. So I don't discount the small non-industry led scientists who are NOT looking at this from a profit motive raising questions one bit! Canola Oil Health Risks \| LIVESTRONG.COM Some interesting pro and con discussions on the comments How Healthy Is Canola Oil Really? \| Eating Well __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles Last edited by jocoyn; 02-10-2013 at 07:19 AM.

02-10-2013, 07:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
sparra Master Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 820	GM canola is only really just making its way into paddocks over here. Some are growing it but marketing it can be very difficult. We refuse to grow it....never will.... but as long as there is a strong market for non GM canola we will have our fields of yellow.

02-10-2013, 07:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,853	I am certain there will continue to be a market for cold-pressed non GM canola oils. The other comment I did not make had to do with the standard extraction process for the oil as opposed to more natural cold pressing techniques. The big issue as I understand is if your neighbor plants the GM variety you may have some cross pollination whether or not you like it. That is the issue with corn! LOL Monstanto even had the gall to sue farmers who "benefited" from having their crops "infected" with GMO pollen. Organic farmers appeal Monsanto court ruling EDIT - The FDA just approved GMO Salmon which grows 5 times faster than conventional salmon. Now the claim is that the fish are sterile and cannot repoduce themselves but there is some skepticism in that regard. . http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...nmentally-safe __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles Last edited by jocoyn; 02-10-2013 at 07:48 AM.

02-10-2013, 08:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
Daisy&Lucky's Mom Crowned Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,673	I just saw this. I was told by drs. to switch to this ,canola instead of vegetable oil. In cooking I use olive oil ,dont fry much but if I saute its olive oil. I bake w/ canola though. Msvette's post about going rancid quicker is true. I remember some going rancid.Wow Ive never heard anything negative about canola before. The dogs get olive oil or fish oil. __________________ Daisy 11/26/99-7/25/12- Lucky- GSD Rescue 2/16/2002 Thunder from the East: adopted 1/25/2013 Miss Chevy Cruz - adopted 1/25/2013

02-10-2013, 08:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,853	Here is a nice chart - have to watch out for frying in EVOO Canola is definitely controversial but if it goes rancid so fast how does it do in a bag of dog food that may sit for a long time and be subjected to high temperatures during transport in unrefrigerated trucks. Choosing the right cooking oil \| PCC Natural Markets __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles Last edited by jocoyn; 02-10-2013 at 08:24 AM.

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