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post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 02-08-2013, 08:14 PM
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I like that it's an LID, so there is one carb and one protein. My non-GSD (rescue mutt) is sensitive to certain things (I believe the flax seed in Fromm, and he doesn't do well on poultry based kibble even though he does fine on raw chicken) so I prefer kibbles that don't have an ingredient list a mile long. It's not a grain free product, though they do offer a line of that, but my dogs have done well on it for years and every time I've tried something else I haven't had the same results. We've also tried Wyson, Earthborne, and TOTW.

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A couple of other options that haven't been mentioned are Annamaet, and Dr. Tim's. Both are very good foods made by an excellent manufacturer. They are both lower protein as well, and offer both grain-free and grain inclusive formulas.
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You might look at Natural Balance Fish & Sweet Potato. It's lower protein and less rich. I don't think it's as good a food as Fromm, but I had one GSD girl who tolerated it and nothing else. I can't say why, but it was what worked for her. They're all different.
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Okay, so...I have been looking through everything, and now I'm more confused than ever! So many good options. Lol. I also miscalculated Rai's age. He will actually be 15 months on the 21st.

I am kind of leaning towards the Lamb formula of Nature's Logic. It has no chicken/flax, and is the lowest protein formula they offer (32% I believe). Jocyn, you mentioned you buy yours online. Since all the good pet food stores closest to me have closed, I would really appreciate if you may please share where you buy your bags from? I was thinking of buying a 4.4lb just to see if Rainer will even like it before I commit to a bigger bag.

A friend of mine feeds her GSD California Natural, and I have tried the Kangaroo and Red Lentil formula with Rainer before. At 21% protein per each bag, though, wouldn't I have to feed him more cups per day just to maintain his weight?

My other options are Fromm Gold and Natural Balance. It's frustrating because he does so well with the Fromm, poops are small and well-formed (most of the time), but he has these bouts with the horrible diarrhea which make him miserable. Poor puppy.


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My other options are Fromm Gold and Natural Balance. It's frustrating because he does so well with the Fromm, poops are small and well-formed (most of the time), but he has these bouts with the horrible diarrhea which make him miserable. Poor puppy.
Have you thought about adding yogurt, cottage cheese, or pumpkin? My golden is like this, but I'm starting to wonder if its the food(because it has happened on different foods) or if he is getting into something and eating it. I'm leaning toward him getting into something, but I can't figure out what. One time when he was younger he ate my son's YMCA card That came out in pieces in his watery poop.

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NL recommends soaking the food before feeding. A lot of interesting articles on the NL site. The president of the company will reply to emails directly as well.

Keep a list of what does and does not work and start looking for common ingredients. I honestly believe each dog is different.

I did have a dog do quite well on Natural Balance (which I went to when bloodwork was "off" with Evo)....I moved my working dog off of it to TOTW because he was having a hard time keeping weight on and did have higher endurance and heat tolerance on higher protein and fat foods. I won't feed TOTW now because of how Diamond managed my issue with a bag of rank smelling bison food "its fine" just before the last recall.

I think 21% is probably adequate for a non working dog.

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Have you thought about adding yogurt, cottage cheese, or pumpkin? My golden is like this, but I'm starting to wonder if its the food(because it has happened on different foods) or if he is getting into something and eating it. I'm leaning toward him getting into something, but I can't figure out what. One time when he was younger he ate my son's YMCA card That came out in pieces in his watery poop.
I used to add cottage cheese to his food regularly, but stopped when he had his first bout of diarrhea. The vet did recommend that I start adding enzymes and probiotics to his food and see if that may possibly help. Will look into that next

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NL recommends soaking the food before feeding. A lot of interesting articles on the NL site. The president of the company will reply to emails directly as well.

Keep a list of what does and does not work and start looking for common ingredients. I honestly believe each dog is different.

I did have a dog do quite well on Natural Balance (which I went to when bloodwork was "off" with Evo)....I moved my working dog off of it to TOTW because he was having a hard time keeping weight on and did have higher endurance and heat tolerance on higher protein and fat foods. I won't feed TOTW now because of how Diamond managed my issue with a bag of rank smelling bison food "its fine" just before the last recall.

I think 21% is probably adequate for a non working dog.
He is not a full blown Schutzhund dog, but we do do protection training, obedience training, as well as many walks throughout the week at up to 4-6 miles per walk. We have dabbled in Agility and recently went to Herding a couple weekends ago...nothing consistent since everything is too far away and gas is ridiculous lately (I'm unemployed right now).

I agree with you about TOTW. I'll try NL and will try California Natural afterwards if that doesn't agree with him. Thanks!


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NL does have digestive enzymes already added. I quit adding them when I realized that.. but I figure added amylases cannot hurt any food with carbohydrates.

None of their diets are LID if you wind up with an allergy problem. That one may not have chicken but it does have egg product in it. Actually the lamb has products from lamb, eggs, cattle, and pigs.

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I switched from the Fromm's LBP to Acana lamb & apple. This particular formula is only 25% protein. Which Acana did your puppy have poor results with?
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I switched mine to Halo. Can't say enough good about it. They look great, stools are good... it's a little pricey, but worth it to me seeing what it's doing for these kids!
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