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3dognite 12-20-2012 11:00 AM

And now we have epic gas.
 
I finally fully transitioned my GSD (9 years) to the Royal Canin prescription from the vet (duck and potato). The transition was complete Tuesday evening's meal.

I'd been feeding brown rice with either elk, venison, lean beef or chicken and he was doing fine. And the transitioning period was fine. He wasn't freaking out to go out in the night. Tuesday night he had to go out, so I let him out but he was just sort of so-so about doing whatever (it was 3 a.m., dark, cold and windy so I didn't go out with him, don't know if he had diarrhea or not).

Last night he wanted out about 3:30 a.m. so I put on my shoes, glasses and bathrobe and put him on a leash and he had TERRIBLE gas and it smelled awful. :sick:

He hopped around trying to poop, just letting out gas, then was happy as a clam and ready to go back inside...it took me over an hour to warm back up and go back to sleep. And of course then the cat wanted out. I'm exhausted.

He also isn't thrilled about eating it again all of a sudden, so he'll be going back on meat and rice tonight.

So thoughts on the food? It's the Royal Canin Veterinarian, duck and potato.

1sttimeforgsd 12-20-2012 01:04 PM

I don't know anything about that food but it sounds like he is reacting to it. Hope that your boy can get adjusted soon, it can't be good for him or for you. :sick:

3dognite 12-20-2012 03:10 PM

Thanks...I did call the vet and he just called back. Apparently the duck food has caused issues with other dogs. He recommended the venison.

But while I was at Costco I picked up the Nature's Domain Turkey and Sweet potato. He's always done well with chicken based foods before so maybe this will be better. But he'll be eating just chicken and rice tonight!!!! :sick:

eddie1976E 12-20-2012 04:01 PM

I have had good luck with the blue buffalo basics LID turkey. I put some extra fiber it for her. She has been doing great on it. No gas, transition was great. No issues at all.

SS-GSD 12-20-2012 05:20 PM

What about just cooking his food if he's been doing well on the rice and meat? You've already got a great protein variety going on, throw in some organ meats, juice a couple veggies (Bell peppers, kale, parsley, squash, carrot, ect.) a couple times a week and for calcium give him a raw meaty bone or dry out some egg shells in the oven and then put them through a coffee grinder until they're powdered and use that. BAM! You have dog food. Lol! If you feed it raw you can do just muscle meats, organ meats and bone for a complete diet. Can't be worse than a prescription diet that causes him that bad of gas!!

Wild Wolf 12-20-2012 05:21 PM

IMO, Royal Canin is a terrible food. In the end, gas is a result of the food going into their belly.

3dognite 12-20-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS-GSD (Post 2660404)
What about just cooking his food if he's been doing well on the rice and meat? You've already got a great protein variety going on, throw in some organ meats, juice a couple veggies (Bell peppers, kale, parsley, squash, carrot, ect.) a couple times a week and for calcium give him a raw meaty bone or dry out some egg shells in the oven and then put them through a coffee grinder until they're powdered and use that. BAM! You have dog food. Lol! If you feed it raw you can do just muscle meats, organ meats and bone for a complete diet. Can't be worse than a prescription diet that causes him that bad of gas!!


Thanks, I've actually considered just going that route, or going partially dry (the Nature's Domain if he'll eat it) and partially the mix you're recommending. Egg shells will work for calcium though? I know we used to give them to our chickens so that makes sense. And I usually give a spoon or two of greek yogurt too.

3dognite 12-20-2012 09:03 PM

And what the recommendation for organ meats? I don't eat any organ meat myself, so what's the variety that's good?

SS-GSD 12-22-2012 07:17 PM

I use a lot of kidney and liver, most any animal will be good. Chicken and beef tend to be the cheapest. You can also see about getting things like heart, it's not used as an organ meat but it can replace muscle meats for a swap of nutrition too. Yogurt wouldn't have nearly enough calcium to take care of the dogs needs. I use egg shells a lot since we eat a lot of eggs. Give a 1/2 teaspoon of powdered egg shell (Or you can buy bone meal from the store/online) per pound of FRESH food. Don't account for any kibble you may feed, I think just going for a cooked diet may be best though since you know he does so well on it vs. kibble. Oh and I'd feed a good ol' raw bone once a week to help keep the tartar down on the teeth. Chicken quarters are a cheap way to replace some of the muscle meat you'd feed for the day AND offer calcium. I buy the bagged ones for like 60-70 cents a pound. (They come in 10lb bags) Sometimes I can catch them on sale for as low as 30-50 cents/lb! ;)

3dognite 12-23-2012 08:32 AM

Where do you buy this stuff? I do have a couple of co-workers who raise cattle and may have some of this stuff or know where to get it easily, but do you just talk to the butcher in the grocery store?

Update, the gas is finally gone. He's eating mostly chicken and rice (though the latest batch is elk and rice) and we've started on 1/2 cup of the Nature's Domain Turkey.

I will definitely start saving, drying and powdering egg shells for him. It seems to me that the one co-worker was talking about needing to clean out one of her big freezers and she mentioned organ meat. I will have to follow up on that the beginning of the year since she won't be in til them.

And while I know yogurt has calcium, I'm mainly feeding it for the good digestive properties.

He went all night finally last night without needing to go outside thankfully. I feel like I actually got a decent night's sleep!


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