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Old 12-12-2012, 10:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'll probably get jumped too, but Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach can be "magical" for GI issue dogs.

If you just cannot stand the thought of Purina California Natural makes a herring and sweet potato that many swear by and Nature's Variety Prairie has a salmon and brown rice. Both are more $$ but since you've been feeding Orijen I'm going to assume that isn't an issue for you.

But, since I've already exposed myself for jumping I will say that I hear much more "miracle cure" type chatter about the Purina SS&S.

Also- I have a cranky tummy old guy and I use this product to help him out:
Amazon.com: Vetri-Mega Probiotic (120 Caps): Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Vetri-Mega Probiotic (120 Caps): Pet Supplies

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Old 12-12-2012, 11:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm mixing the Fromm's & Acana right now.

Ok, thanks for those suggestions, it's a lot of trial and error I suppose. Especially since I'm not sure what she's sensitive to.

Maybe I'll give a LID a try.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=blackshep;2653547]I'm mixing the Fromm's & Acana right now.

Ok, thanks for those suggestions, it's a lot of trial and error I suppose. Especially since I'm not sure what she's sensitive to.

Maybe I'll give a LID a try.[/QUOTE]

If you do, watch out for the amount of sweet potato - that made our dog stink and her poops had a terrible, sweet potato odor to them. That is why we used the Nature's variety. It has tapioca and/or pea for the starch. No sweet potato.
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I'm mixing the Fromm's & Acana right now.

Ok, thanks for those suggestions, it's a lot of trial and error I suppose. Especially since I'm not sure what she's sensitive to.

Maybe I'll give a LID a try.[/QUOTE]

If you do, watch out for the amount of sweet potato - that made our dog stink and her poops had a terrible, sweet potato odor to them. That is why we used the Nature's variety. It has tapioca and/or pea for the starch. No sweet potato.
DO NOT feed tapioca - toxic

The levels that could be reached in a "no grain" tapioca-based pet food could certainly reach dangerous levels. Levels of hydrogen cyanide above 100 parts per million (ppm) in a finished food are considered unacceptable. In a "no grain" formulated pet food, depending upon the type and amount of tapioca used, levels in a typical formula could reach over 1026.3 mg/kg, or 718.85 ppm! The minimal lethal dosage in humans is about 50-60mg. A 60 lb. dog eating an average amount of a "no-grain" tapioca-based pet food could be ingesting 17.6 mg of hydrogen cyanide per day. Considering that this dog is about one third the weight of an average human, on a per weight basis it would be receiving 52.8 mg (3 X 17.6 mg) of hydrogen cyanide, which is within the lethal dose (50-60 mg) range. Even if this calculation is on the high side, lower hydrogen cyanide levels would at the least put the animal at risk of chronic toxicity.

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Old 12-12-2012, 12:16 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm mixing the Fromm's & Acana right now.

Ok, thanks for those suggestions, it's a lot of trial and error I suppose. Especially since I'm not sure what she's sensitive to.

Maybe I'll give a LID a try.
Right now you have done a lot of trial and error. Now it would be good to sit down with the ingredient lists of all the foods (inluding the one the doctor gave you) and look for what is "different"

I did that to find out one dog just can't handle flax

My attitude towards kibble is the amount of carbs needed to hold together any kibble for cooking is not "natural" I actually soak my food and add digestive enzymes before I feed it......it seems it digests better and no gas.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:19 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm mixing the Fromm's & Acana right now.

Ok, thanks for those suggestions, it's a lot of trial and error I suppose. Especially since I'm not sure what she's sensitive to.

Maybe I'll give a LID a try.
I made a complete switch to Fromm over 4 months ago. Honestly don't recall a fart since then.

The transition from Acana (culprit) to Fromm may not be complete. Maybe continue with the switch, and wait until your dog is on Fromm exclusively before doing anything else.

One mistake that many of us have made, is switching foods, then expecting immediate results. Give it time.

Fromm worked great for me. Her coat is stunning, and she hasn't had a loose stool since switching.
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blackshep, you might PM beauceron I think it was? She did extensive research into tapioca for their dogs and found it to be extremely safe and actually a very good starch to use. I had a site bookmarked with excellent studies and information, then DH built our new computer and lost all of mine. Grrr.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Too late to edit so


Here is a link to a forum where this is discussed, the very first post contains a research paper discussing cassava and the cyanogenic compounds, which are REMOVED when tapioca is used in pet foods. It's lengthy, but you can skim and find the basic essence. An Error Has Occurred!
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Crap, the link didn't work. Oops.

Here it is again: An Error Has Occurred!

Weird, it's working, it just has that weird name on the link?! If you click, it should work and take you to the site. It did me.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:40 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Rocket, the link works. I'll read that, thanks! I always thought tapioca was a really good choice, I had no idea that it might be toxic?

Anthony, I think Fromm is a fantastic food, but she definitely got a lot worse on it even being mixed in. I'm going to call my vet's office today and see what formula they gave her and see the differences b/w that and the Orijen/Acana.

I'm assuming Orijen and Acana are using fairly similar ingredients, so that might explain why both of those aren't working.
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