5.5 month with Renal issue

obelinux · 10-25-2012, 07:48 AM

Crossposting this from the recipes thread.

My puppy has a renal issue ( cause which hasn't been diagnosed yet). We are trying to get a renal diet going for him but our vet is clueless. We have gone to 4 vets in the past 15 days, and the current vet is apparently one of the best. He just recommended us to his shop where the idiot at the shop just threw a pack of Cibau regular puppy food for him. After a huge altercation and constant probing they randomly suggested Hills K/D.

Now I didn't buy it since they were clueless about dog nutrition. Now being in India, its a tough call to get a dog nutrition expert. I want to home cook meals for my puppy. With his renal issues, he needs a low protein/phosphorous diet, however, with him being in his growing age, he will still need a decent amount.

Anyone here have a similar problem. Any help here would be fantastic.

This is a diet I'm feeding him right now. Would be great if I could get feedback if its good.

Morning : 2 egg whites with a wheat tortilla ( made at home. We call it chapati.

Afternoon:
150g of white rice
30-50g of chicken thigh or chicken liver
a few pieces of pumpkin/carrot/squash/potato : just rotating veggies
1 tsp vegetable oil
1tsp clarified butter
1 pod garlic.

Night :

Same meal as above, with a change in vegetable. Also mix in 40g of lentils into it.

Does this meal seem wholesome enough, or do I need to feed him more/less or move around any nutrient.

Thanks

obelinux · 10-25-2012, 07:50 AM

To add, he weighs in at 33lbs now. He used to be 39.5 lbs 1 month back, but with the renal issue and loss of appetite, he lost a ton of weight. Finally he seems to have his appetite back, so really looking to help him out.

jaggirl47 · 10-25-2012, 11:22 AM

Is he still receiving fluids?

Jax08 · 10-25-2012, 11:24 AM

Again...he does NOT need low protein! He needs high quality protein and lower phosphorus. You need to figure out how much phosphorus he can have based on his creatinine level and stage of CRF. All that information and recipes for home cooked meals are on the facebook page I posted in your other thread as well as many of the links in Banshee's thread that I posted for you. You can also post any questions to the facebook page and the people with lots and lots of experience in CRF can help you.

What is his CREA and BUN levels right now?

obelinux · 10-25-2012, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jax08

Again...he does NOT need low protein! He needs high quality protein and lower phosphorus. You need to figure out how much phosphorus he can have based on his creatinine level and stage of CRF. All that information and recipes for home cooked meals are on the facebook page I posted in your other thread as well as many of the links in Banshee's thread that I posted for you. You can also post any questions to the facebook page and the people with lots and lots of experience in CRF can help you.

What is his CREA and BUN levels right now?

Thanks Jax. I did explore a ton of info from that page. Only issue was I couldn't find as much info on CRF for puppies. Possibly I didn't look well enough.

As of Monday his CREA was 2.27 and BUN 54.4. He has a blood test tomorrow, so I'll post the updated values in a couple of days.

He is not on fluids right now. Doctors say if he has a normal appetite let him eat.

BowWowMeow · 10-25-2012, 03:06 PM

Search for posts by UConngsd on this site. Her Wolfie had CRF and she did a raw diet with supplements.

Jax08 · 10-25-2012, 03:39 PM

Definitely contact UConngsd. She was a great help to me.

Ask specifically about puppies on the Facebook CRF page. Many members have dogs that have juvenile CRF. If you look in the Notes section of that page, there is a list of supplements to add to their diet including B-Complex vitamins, spirullina (sp?), CoQ10 and others. There are recipes for balanced meals.

If you want to know how much phosphorus / calcium are in foods go to this site
Nutrition facts, calories in food, labels, nutritional information and analysis – NutritionData.com
I used this site to figure out daily requirements for my dog.

Also, you need to look into phosphorus binders depending on what stage of CRF your puppy is in. Again, the ladies on the facebook page can help you.

FYI...the lady running that page is a registered nurse who works with kidney patients, as well has have CRF dogs, so she definitely has the knowledge to help with kidney failure.

Jax08 · 10-25-2012, 04:34 PM

I sent UConn a message for you. She isn't on the board often.

obelinux · 10-25-2012, 04:35 PM

Thanks a ton Michelle. Don't even know how to thank you.

Thanks to you too Ruth!

Jax08 · 10-25-2012, 04:44 PM

If you PM me your email address, I'll send the spreadsheet I set up for Banshee to figure out her daily phosphorus intake. It's not great but did for me just fine quickly. And anything else I can find. Somewhere I have papers from my vet of recipes and a little more info on CRF. I'll scan those in for you.

10-25-2012, 07:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
obelinux Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gurgaon, India Posts: 120	5.5 month with Renal issue Crossposting this from the recipes thread. My puppy has a renal issue ( cause which hasn't been diagnosed yet). We are trying to get a renal diet going for him but our vet is clueless. We have gone to 4 vets in the past 15 days, and the current vet is apparently one of the best. He just recommended us to his shop where the idiot at the shop just threw a pack of Cibau regular puppy food for him. After a huge altercation and constant probing they randomly suggested Hills K/D. Now I didn't buy it since they were clueless about dog nutrition. Now being in India, its a tough call to get a dog nutrition expert. I want to home cook meals for my puppy. With his renal issues, he needs a low protein/phosphorous diet, however, with him being in his growing age, he will still need a decent amount. Anyone here have a similar problem. Any help here would be fantastic. This is a diet I'm feeding him right now. Would be great if I could get feedback if its good. Morning : 2 egg whites with a wheat tortilla ( made at home. We call it chapati. Afternoon: 150g of white rice 30-50g of chicken thigh or chicken liver a few pieces of pumpkin/carrot/squash/potato : just rotating veggies 1 tsp vegetable oil 1tsp clarified butter 1 pod garlic. Night : Same meal as above, with a change in vegetable. Also mix in 40g of lentils into it. Does this meal seem wholesome enough, or do I need to feed him more/less or move around any nutrient. Thanks

10-25-2012, 11:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
jaggirl47 Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 3,491	Is he still receiving fluids? __________________ SBD Posejpal's Leyna, HCTs 6/16/2010 SBD Posejpal's Hades, 5/9/12 At the rainbow bridge: Zappa 12/27/00-1/23/12 You are my heart, my soul, and my best friend. You will be with me always. Zeus 5/9/12-8/13/12 You taught me strength. Run free.

10-25-2012, 11:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 19,036	Again...he does NOT need low protein! He needs high quality protein and lower phosphorus. You need to figure out how much phosphorus he can have based on his creatinine level and stage of CRF. All that information and recipes for home cooked meals are on the facebook page I posted in your other thread as well as many of the links in Banshee's thread that I posted for you. You can also post any questions to the facebook page and the people with lots and lots of experience in CRF can help you. What is his CREA and BUN levels right now? __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red" Last edited by Jax08; 10-25-2012 at 11:29 AM.

10-25-2012, 03:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
BowWowMeow Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 15,537	Search for posts by UConngsd on this site. Her Wolfie had CRF and she did a raw diet with supplements. __________________ Ruth & the 4 Legged Rescue Gang Rafi the malaroo http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238 Gio & Varda, the krazy kittens ....In my heart: Cleo Kitty Chama Kai Basu Massie

10-25-2012, 03:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 19,036	Definitely contact UConngsd. She was a great help to me. Ask specifically about puppies on the Facebook CRF page. Many members have dogs that have juvenile CRF. If you look in the Notes section of that page, there is a list of supplements to add to their diet including B-Complex vitamins, spirullina (sp?), CoQ10 and others. There are recipes for balanced meals. If you want to know how much phosphorus / calcium are in foods go to this site Nutrition facts, calories in food, labels, nutritional information and analysis – NutritionData.com I used this site to figure out daily requirements for my dog. Also, you need to look into phosphorus binders depending on what stage of CRF your puppy is in. Again, the ladies on the facebook page can help you. FYI...the lady running that page is a registered nurse who works with kidney patients, as well has have CRF dogs, so she definitely has the knowledge to help with kidney failure. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

10-25-2012, 07:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
obelinux Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gurgaon, India Posts: 120	To add, he weighs in at 33lbs now. He used to be 39.5 lbs 1 month back, but with the renal issue and loss of appetite, he lost a ton of weight. Finally he seems to have his appetite back, so really looking to help him out.

10-25-2012, 04:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 19,036	I sent UConn a message for you. She isn't on the board often. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

10-25-2012, 04:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
obelinux Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gurgaon, India Posts: 120	Thanks a ton Michelle. Don't even know how to thank you. Thanks to you too Ruth!

10-25-2012, 04:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 19,036	If you PM me your email address, I'll send the spreadsheet I set up for Banshee to figure out her daily phosphorus intake. It's not great but did for me just fine quickly. And anything else I can find. Somewhere I have papers from my vet of recipes and a little more info on CRF. I'll scan those in for you. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

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