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Old 10-25-2012, 07:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Crossposting this from the recipes thread.

My puppy has a renal issue ( cause which hasn't been diagnosed yet). We are trying to get a renal diet going for him but our vet is clueless. We have gone to 4 vets in the past 15 days, and the current vet is apparently one of the best. He just recommended us to his shop where the idiot at the shop just threw a pack of Cibau regular puppy food for him. After a huge altercation and constant probing they randomly suggested Hills K/D.

Now I didn't buy it since they were clueless about dog nutrition. Now being in India, its a tough call to get a dog nutrition expert. I want to home cook meals for my puppy. With his renal issues, he needs a low protein/phosphorous diet, however, with him being in his growing age, he will still need a decent amount.

Anyone here have a similar problem. Any help here would be fantastic.

This is a diet I'm feeding him right now. Would be great if I could get feedback if its good.

Morning : 2 egg whites with a wheat tortilla ( made at home. We call it chapati.

Afternoon:
150g of white rice
30-50g of chicken thigh or chicken liver
a few pieces of pumpkin/carrot/squash/potato : just rotating veggies
1 tsp vegetable oil
1tsp clarified butter
1 pod garlic.

Night :

Same meal as above, with a change in vegetable. Also mix in 40g of lentils into it.

Does this meal seem wholesome enough, or do I need to feed him more/less or move around any nutrient.

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To add, he weighs in at 33lbs now. He used to be 39.5 lbs 1 month back, but with the renal issue and loss of appetite, he lost a ton of weight. Finally he seems to have his appetite back, so really looking to help him out.
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Is he still receiving fluids?
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Again...he does NOT need low protein! He needs high quality protein and lower phosphorus. You need to figure out how much phosphorus he can have based on his creatinine level and stage of CRF. All that information and recipes for home cooked meals are on the facebook page I posted in your other thread as well as many of the links in Banshee's thread that I posted for you. You can also post any questions to the facebook page and the people with lots and lots of experience in CRF can help you.

What is his CREA and BUN levels right now?
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Again...he does NOT need low protein! He needs high quality protein and lower phosphorus. You need to figure out how much phosphorus he can have based on his creatinine level and stage of CRF. All that information and recipes for home cooked meals are on the facebook page I posted in your other thread as well as many of the links in Banshee's thread that I posted for you. You can also post any questions to the facebook page and the people with lots and lots of experience in CRF can help you.

What is his CREA and BUN levels right now?
Thanks Jax. I did explore a ton of info from that page. Only issue was I couldn't find as much info on CRF for puppies. Possibly I didn't look well enough.

As of Monday his CREA was 2.27 and BUN 54.4. He has a blood test tomorrow, so I'll post the updated values in a couple of days.

He is not on fluids right now. Doctors say if he has a normal appetite let him eat.
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Search for posts by UConngsd on this site. Her Wolfie had CRF and she did a raw diet with supplements.
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Definitely contact UConngsd. She was a great help to me.

Ask specifically about puppies on the Facebook CRF page. Many members have dogs that have juvenile CRF. If you look in the Notes section of that page, there is a list of supplements to add to their diet including B-Complex vitamins, spirullina (sp?), CoQ10 and others. There are recipes for balanced meals.

If you want to know how much phosphorus / calcium are in foods go to this site
Nutrition facts, calories in food, labels, nutritional information and analysis – NutritionData.com
I used this site to figure out daily requirements for my dog.

Also, you need to look into phosphorus binders depending on what stage of CRF your puppy is in. Again, the ladies on the facebook page can help you.

FYI...the lady running that page is a registered nurse who works with kidney patients, as well has have CRF dogs, so she definitely has the knowledge to help with kidney failure.
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I sent UConn a message for you. She isn't on the board often.
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Thanks a ton Michelle. Don't even know how to thank you.

Thanks to you too Ruth!
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If you PM me your email address, I'll send the spreadsheet I set up for Banshee to figure out her daily phosphorus intake. It's not great but did for me just fine quickly. And anything else I can find. Somewhere I have papers from my vet of recipes and a little more info on CRF. I'll scan those in for you.
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