5.5 month with Renal issue - Page 11

Jax08 · 11-19-2012, 07:44 PM

yes. there is another one too. I'll look it up. One has more phosphorus than the other.

ETA: chlorella is the other algae

obelinux · 11-22-2012, 09:01 PM

Whiskey had slightly low hemoglobin, so we started giving him a little iron. However, with iron, his appetite seems to be off. Are there any natural iron sources I can mix in his food which might help?

Jax08 · 11-22-2012, 09:18 PM

spinach
Cooked vs. Raw Spinach for Iron Content | Healthy Eating | SF Gate

Here is a list of iron rich foods
Iron in the Vegan Diet -- The Vegetarian Resource Group

You might want to check these for phosphorus levels but I think spinach is probably the best.

obelinux · 11-23-2012, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jax08

spinach
Cooked vs. Raw Spinach for Iron Content | Healthy Eating | SF Gate

Here is a list of iron rich foods
Iron in the Vegan Diet -- The Vegetarian Resource Group

You might want to check these for phosphorus levels but I think spinach is probably the best.

Thanks a ton Michelle.

We also found a Vet who has Azodyl. It comes at a premium though ( 100$ for a 60 tablet bottle), but anything we can try to help the poor puppy.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

obelinux · 11-26-2012, 02:40 AM

Sad news with Whiskey. His hemoglobin is dropping. It was 10.9 last week. It's 9.8 now. Vet has given 2000IU erythropoietin as in injection. Unfortunately he was very upset, and we don't have a positive prognosis for the puppy. Hoping for a miracle. It's not done till it's done.

Jax08 · 11-26-2012, 08:32 AM

You'll be in my thoughts

obelinux · 12-07-2012, 02:25 PM

Whiskey is doing okay. Eating well/playing well. Creatinine is still in the 2.7 to 3.2 range. We've started Azodyl.

He's also been diagnosed with Babesia Gibsoni blood parasite. We are not giving him medication just yet because we read that Imizol is nephrotoxic.

In other news, I brushed his teeth today and found a slightly rotten molar. It has a black spot in it and his breath is horrid. Also I'm not sure if that is his adult molar or baby molar since all I saw fall off over the past couple of months are his incisors and canines. Hopefully it's not a big deal, but reading the forums, it does seem like one.

Jax08 · 12-07-2012, 02:31 PM

So glad to hear from you! I was just thinking of you yesterday.

You definitely need to get the teeth looked at. Bad teeth put bacteria into their system and can cause CRF so it is certainly an issue given his already damaged kidneys.

A quick google search seems to show a correlation between Babesia (a tick disease) and CRF. Did your vet discuss that with you? Is this the cause of his CRF possibly?

obelinux · 12-07-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jax08

So glad to hear from you! I was just thinking of you yesterday.

You definitely need to get the teeth looked at. Bad teeth put bacteria into their system and can cause CRF so it is certainly an issue given his already damaged kidneys.

A quick google search seems to show a correlation between Babesia (a tick disease) and CRF. Did your vet discuss that with you? Is this the cause of his CRF possibly?

We did talk about Babesia being a cause. Of course, there is no evidence to say that caused his kidney issue.
That said, I'm scared to get the drug administered since the drug ( Imizol) hasn't been tested on puppies, and also needs to be used with caution in kidney failure cases.

UConnGSD · 12-11-2012, 02:08 PM

I am so sorry to hear that Whiskey's blood values have dropped. Few thoughts:

1) Darbepoetin is thought to work better than erythropoetin, in terms of its effects lasting longer. This is what we used for Wolfie.

2) You are continuing with the iron capsules, right? It can help prolong the time between the injections. I know that people worry about iron toxicity but from what I have heard from human doctors, that you need to be taking very high doses for a very long time in order to end up with toxic levels. Apparently, we absorb only 20% of the supplemental iron.

3) Is it possible for the drop in hemo to be on account of the Babesia infection? If the hemoglobin levels can get back to normal after the Babesia is treated, maybe it's worth giving Imizol a shot?? Of course, this is a calculated risk but given the progression of the disease, maybe worth thinking about...

4) The horrible oral stench goes with advanced kidney disease, unfortunately. It's the toxins building up inside the body. You could try adding pureed parsley to his food to help flush out the toxins.

I'm sorry I couldn't respond sooner -- traveling for work and family visits and broken laptop while traveling doesn't make for a happy traveler.

11-19-2012, 07:44 PM	#101 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 18,994	yes. there is another one too. I'll look it up. One has more phosphorus than the other. ETA: chlorella is the other algae __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red" Last edited by Jax08; 11-19-2012 at 07:51 PM.

11-22-2012, 09:18 PM	#103 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 18,994	spinach Cooked vs. Raw Spinach for Iron Content \| Healthy Eating \| SF Gate Here is a list of iron rich foods Iron in the Vegan Diet -- The Vegetarian Resource Group You might want to check these for phosphorus levels but I think spinach is probably the best. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

11-26-2012, 08:32 AM	#106 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 18,994	You'll be in my thoughts __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

12-07-2012, 02:31 PM	#108 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 18,994	So glad to hear from you! I was just thinking of you yesterday. You definitely need to get the teeth looked at. Bad teeth put bacteria into their system and can cause CRF so it is certainly an issue given his already damaged kidneys. A quick google search seems to show a correlation between Babesia (a tick disease) and CRF. Did your vet discuss that with you? Is this the cause of his CRF possibly? __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

12-11-2012, 02:08 PM	#110 (permalink)
UConnGSD Master Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Western NY Posts: 801	I am so sorry to hear that Whiskey's blood values have dropped. Few thoughts: 1) Darbepoetin is thought to work better than erythropoetin, in terms of its effects lasting longer. This is what we used for Wolfie. 2) You are continuing with the iron capsules, right? It can help prolong the time between the injections. I know that people worry about iron toxicity but from what I have heard from human doctors, that you need to be taking very high doses for a very long time in order to end up with toxic levels. Apparently, we absorb only 20% of the supplemental iron. 3) Is it possible for the drop in hemo to be on account of the Babesia infection? If the hemoglobin levels can get back to normal after the Babesia is treated, maybe it's worth giving Imizol a shot?? Of course, this is a calculated risk but given the progression of the disease, maybe worth thinking about... 4) The horrible oral stench goes with advanced kidney disease, unfortunately. It's the toxins building up inside the body. You could try adding pureed parsley to his food to help flush out the toxins. I'm sorry I couldn't respond sooner -- traveling for work and family visits and broken laptop while traveling doesn't make for a happy traveler. __________________ UConnGSD Wolfgang vom Kolenda (Wolfie) 5/5/08 - 7/24/12 -- You taught me so much, sweet boy Foxy 8/13/12 (Gotcha Day -- 1.5 year old at adoption)

11-22-2012, 09:01 PM	#102 (permalink)
obelinux Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gurgaon, India Posts: 120	Whiskey had slightly low hemoglobin, so we started giving him a little iron. However, with iron, his appetite seems to be off. Are there any natural iron sources I can mix in his food which might help?

11-26-2012, 02:40 AM	#105 (permalink)
obelinux Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gurgaon, India Posts: 120	Sad news with Whiskey. His hemoglobin is dropping. It was 10.9 last week. It's 9.8 now. Vet has given 2000IU erythropoietin as in injection. Unfortunately he was very upset, and we don't have a positive prognosis for the puppy. Hoping for a miracle. It's not done till it's done.

12-07-2012, 02:25 PM	#107 (permalink)
obelinux Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gurgaon, India Posts: 120	Whiskey is doing okay. Eating well/playing well. Creatinine is still in the 2.7 to 3.2 range. We've started Azodyl. He's also been diagnosed with Babesia Gibsoni blood parasite. We are not giving him medication just yet because we read that Imizol is nephrotoxic. In other news, I brushed his teeth today and found a slightly rotten molar. It has a black spot in it and his breath is horrid. Also I'm not sure if that is his adult molar or baby molar since all I saw fall off over the past couple of months are his incisors and canines. Hopefully it's not a big deal, but reading the forums, it does seem like one.

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