Dog breeder accused of hiding dog...

DrDoom · 03-25-2008, 11:27 AM

....to prevent it being nuetered?!?! WHY???

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...,7977163.story

Shandril2 · 03-25-2008, 11:35 AM

Yeah, I don't get it either.

**angelaw** · 03-25-2008, 11:48 AM

There is obviously more to the story than what is printed.

Betty · 03-25-2008, 12:04 PM

I would imagine it has something to do with the breeder retaining some level of breeding rights. Not something I would do on either side of the contract but I'm hearing of it being done more and more often.

Just my educated guess though.

DrDoom · 03-25-2008, 12:10 PM

THAT makes more sense. Ok. Not AS confused as to WHY now. At least a POSSIBLE why.

arycrest · 03-25-2008, 01:17 PM

Dawn Marie is a member of an email list I belong to. She always seemed rather level headed to me, I wonder what THE REST OF THE STORY is. Regardless, I cannot imagine anyone stealing a dog to prevent it from being neutered - that would piss me off it it happened to a dog of mine. If it's a contract dispute, IMHO it would be easier to duke it out in court than it would be to be arreseted for larceny for stealing the dog in question.

Kayos and Havoc · 03-25-2008, 01:24 PM

I have heard of this kennel and it does seem odd. Hopefully we will hear the whole story. I would think she must have felt desperate to do what she did.

selzer · 03-25-2008, 08:12 PM

I don't know. If the person did have some breeding rights on the dog and was hoping on a pup out of the lines, then while it may be easier to duke it out in court, by then the dog would be neutered and the point mute. Yes, the dog's owner might be found guilty and ordered to pay a small fee, but if there was a specific purpose the breeder was looking to breed in or breed back to, the compensation would not cover it for sure.

Stealing the dog is extreme. I guess I will learn from this, and certainly not do anything that involves other people's willingness to uphold their end of the bargain, unless I can live with the consequences if they refuse. So if I absolutely need to breed back to a certain dog, I will have to keep the dog and not sell it in the first place.

I really think it is nuts, and am trying to make sense of it by wild guesses. I am not a fan of spay/neuter, but once a pup goes to a new home, I have to accept that its owners will be making the decisions that affect its future. The only way I would consider stealing a dog back is if I knew without any question that the owners were abusing the dog. And even then, what help can I be arrested. I think even then you have to go with the authorities. If I can see without any doubt that an animal is suffering serious abuse by its owners, the authorities would have to at least investigate.

arycrest · 03-25-2008, 10:47 PM

Here's another article from MSNBC about the case that goes into more detail. As in the first article, there is no mention about any contract dispute over breeding the dog. The owners paid $1,300 for Drago. Apparently they had a good relationship with the breeder until the owner's, Nathan & Kelly Bird, mentioned they were going to have him neutered, "She just kind of freaked out about what I intended to do."

Dawn Marie showed police documentation supposedly signed by the owners turning ownership over to her. The Bird's claim the document was forged.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23741906

Kayos and Havoc · 03-25-2008, 11:04 PM

Very interesting to see how this comes out.

03-25-2008, 11:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
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03-25-2008, 11:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
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03-25-2008, 11:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
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03-25-2008, 12:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Betty Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: North Florida Posts: 4,860	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... I would imagine it has something to do with the breeder retaining some level of breeding rights. Not something I would do on either side of the contract but I'm hearing of it being done more and more often. Just my educated guess though. __________________ Betty www.Littlerivercanine.com

03-25-2008, 12:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
DrDoom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Camden County Georgia Posts: 388	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... THAT makes more sense. Ok. Not AS confused as to WHY now. At least a POSSIBLE why. __________________ Bear- Rescue GSD Long stock coat Bear's Philosophy? If you can't play with it or eat it, pee on it and walk away! All that is gold does not glitter; not all those that wander are lost. -Tolkien, 1954

03-25-2008, 01:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
arycrest Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 8,088	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... Dawn Marie is a member of an email list I belong to. She always seemed rather level headed to me, I wonder what THE REST OF THE STORY is. Regardless, I cannot imagine anyone stealing a dog to prevent it from being neutered - that would piss me off it it happened to a dog of mine. If it's a contract dispute, IMHO it would be easier to duke it out in court than it would be to be arreseted for larceny for stealing the dog in question. __________________ Gayle & the Hooligans Mac, Slider, Bruiser, & Faith MY BRIDGE KIDS: Andy, Abbey, Tasha, Tex, Echo, Yukon, JR, Too, Niki, Bo, Ringer, Kelly, & Honey The Hooligans Photo Albums!

03-25-2008, 01:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kayos and Havoc Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: McAlester, OK Posts: 16,921	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... I have heard of this kennel and it does seem odd. Hopefully we will hear the whole story. I would think she must have felt desperate to do what she did. __________________ Kathy The Wrecking Crew URO3, UCD "Kayos" CD,TDX,RE,CGC,HIC,TC URO1, UCD "Havoc" CDX,GN,RE,CGC,HIC,TC,BH At the Bridge: Lucky, Wolf, Max Gone but never forgotten

03-25-2008, 08:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... I don't know. If the person did have some breeding rights on the dog and was hoping on a pup out of the lines, then while it may be easier to duke it out in court, by then the dog would be neutered and the point mute. Yes, the dog's owner might be found guilty and ordered to pay a small fee, but if there was a specific purpose the breeder was looking to breed in or breed back to, the compensation would not cover it for sure. Stealing the dog is extreme. I guess I will learn from this, and certainly not do anything that involves other people's willingness to uphold their end of the bargain, unless I can live with the consequences if they refuse. So if I absolutely need to breed back to a certain dog, I will have to keep the dog and not sell it in the first place. I really think it is nuts, and am trying to make sense of it by wild guesses. I am not a fan of spay/neuter, but once a pup goes to a new home, I have to accept that its owners will be making the decisions that affect its future. The only way I would consider stealing a dog back is if I knew without any question that the owners were abusing the dog. And even then, what help can I be arrested. I think even then you have to go with the authorities. If I can see without any doubt that an animal is suffering serious abuse by its owners, the authorities would have to at least investigate. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

03-25-2008, 10:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
arycrest Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 8,088	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... Here's another article from MSNBC about the case that goes into more detail. As in the first article, there is no mention about any contract dispute over breeding the dog. The owners paid $1,300 for Drago. Apparently they had a good relationship with the breeder until the owner's, Nathan & Kelly Bird, mentioned they were going to have him neutered, "She just kind of freaked out about what I intended to do." Dawn Marie showed police documentation supposedly signed by the owners turning ownership over to her. The Bird's claim the document was forged. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23741906 __________________ Gayle & the Hooligans Mac, Slider, Bruiser, & Faith MY BRIDGE KIDS: Andy, Abbey, Tasha, Tex, Echo, Yukon, JR, Too, Niki, Bo, Ringer, Kelly, & Honey The Hooligans Photo Albums!

03-25-2008, 11:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kayos and Havoc Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: McAlester, OK Posts: 16,921	Re: Dog breeder accused of hiding dog... Very interesting to see how this comes out. __________________ Kathy The Wrecking Crew URO3, UCD "Kayos" CD,TDX,RE,CGC,HIC,TC URO1, UCD "Havoc" CDX,GN,RE,CGC,HIC,TC,BH At the Bridge: Lucky, Wolf, Max Gone but never forgotten

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