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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark, Ohio
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13 dogs, well if you count the three whelps, I have 13 dogs.
I can understand having a skinny dog or a couple of skinny dogs. I can understand a skin condition, an ear infection, some over-long toe nails. Here, where it hasn't stopped raining since 2006, I can understand muddy conditions -- dogs not spotless. But ANYONE can keep up after 13 dogs worth of poop. Every dog owner is different, has a different capacity for managing dogs. Some have a hard time managing just one, while another can handle more than ten easily. But first and foremost, there is no number of dogs that is the cutoff, for someone to be able to manage them properly. Someone with 15 dogs may do a better job with their dogs than someone with just one. At the same time, volumes as opposed to 1 or 2 will probably adjust the level of care and time each dog gets. Dogs who are the only pet in the household can be the center of the universe to their owner, play dates, dog parks, training classes, run of the house, three walks per day, top brand dog food/RAW/home cooked, etc, etc, etc. Dogs owners with 2 pets can give them pretty much the same as those who own just one. Three to five dogs present more challenges. Dog classes for the youngsters, staggered for the older dogs, maybe the old crate and rotate is necessary. One walk a day is plenty, especially if you take them out back and let them wear each other out. Starting to look for good affordable food. More than six dogs, well they are not all going to fit in the bed with you anymore for one thing. Musical crates will be necessary if there are not kennels outside or in the basement or garage. Affordable dog food with good ingredients, bordering on economical dog food. Training and Grooming depends on time and or money to do it. A pet owner with this many dogs is dancing near the hoarding line, if not crossing over. If they are well-spaced though it can certainly be done well by a pet owner. And a dog-person (breeder, person who works with dogs, competitor) should not have any problem providing for the dog's basic needs. All of them will not get walked or worked daily most likely. But they can certainly be fed, watered, cleaned up after and given a proper shelter as required by law; and some training, grooming when necessary, vetting, and contained properly. 13 dogs are unlikely to have the run of the house at all times. Highly unlikely. People are not going to take 13 dogs for regular play dates, dog parks, spa days. But they can be kept properly none the less. 45 or 50 dogs, I can understand getting behind and being unable to recover, especially if she had some health concerns, or other serious issue. The more dogs you have, the more important to ensure every dog area is cleaned every day. Leaving poop around is completely unacceptable. How does someone not manage the basics for 13? This is foreign. Yes they may not ALL go to shutzhund training every weekend, but they can certainly ALL be cleaned up after. Living in crates is no life for a dog. Needing to be crated a number of hours a day is ok. Needing to be crated for a week or more, while in a foster situation, separated for every dog's safety/health, short term solution -- it can be done with a couple of potty breaks and maybe a walk or a romp in the yard each day, only for short term. How do you even get a full grown shepherd into an upper crate. If someone has the energy to lift the dog up into the second deck, or to produce a ramp, they have the energy to keep it clean. This situation just does not compute for me. The basic care a dog needs by law is not so onerous that one cannot provide it for a dozen. Fifty, Sixty, a hundred -- I can see that. Not thirteen.
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#62 (permalink) |
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Va Beach, VA
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Proper care of thirteen dogs can be easily managed depending on the life style of the person doing it. I have the same number of dogs. ATM none are puppies. I have kennels. I do not work away over 50 hours a week taking me away from my dogs like the person in the situation. If you get behind and do not catch up then the dogs pay for it. I would not be keeping 13 dogs if they had to live in crates while I was at work a full work week. After work are you sure there is enough time to get sleep AND exercise 13 crated dogs, clean, feed, groom, train, and care for yourself and her children without anyone or the home suffering? The question was not if someone could care for those numbers and well in those conditions. It is a matter of them not being done. Unless this woman's life changed and she found a money supply for free since she tried to sell my friend the puppy then I believe these dogs were not getting sufficient care. Dawn admitted to my friend back then she was struggling terribly.
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
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Depending on the dog, I may not have water or bedding in crates, either. I've had fosters who would eat any bedding and some who would manage to turn over the water dish/bucket no matter how I tried to secure it so it was either no water in the crate or a wet dog.
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Va Beach, VA
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Empty water bowls happen even though it is not preferable. Feces and urine are not good in the crates and can also occasionally exist. Combine all of these factors and you come up with dogs crated in long time periods with improper care when it is in multiple dogs crate as a normal condition they are living in.
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Va Beach, VA
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This mornings outcome for her dog care and really it is difficult getting convictions for mis care of dogs so this really does speak volumes.
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