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RLwhaler 04-07-2014 06:13 PM

USDA Regulations on shipping puppies to buyers
Can someone confirm with me that a potential buyer has to pick up her/his puppy in person from a breeder?Due to the new USDA guidelines?


selzer 04-07-2014 08:52 PM

Actually, there are new regulations that if you sell puppies, sight unseen, you will fall under USDA regulations, which most breeders do not want to do, because it requires things to be run like a farm moreso than puppies being raised in a home environment.

To avoid this, you can refuse to ship puppies, and require owners to come pick them up. This means you will not fall under USDA regulations soley because you ship puppies to people you haven't met. You may still fall under the regulations depending on how many puppies/litters are produced.

USDA probably has guidelines for shipping so I am guessing the breeeder is avoiding falling under their regualtions.

LifeofRiley 04-07-2014 11:11 PM

The AWA requirements are minimum care standards. The USDA has repeatedly said that the vast majority of responsible home-based breeders would not just meet but, far and away exceed, the standards of care set out by the AWA.

It is simply not true that the “rule change” that went into effect last year prohibits breeding dogs from being in the home or that pups cannot be whelped in the home... i.e. that they must be treated like farm animals as Selzer would have you believe in her post.

The USDA actually put together a webinar for home-based breeders to address this myth. It is available on the USDA/Aphis website for anyone who is interested.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation out there about the 2013 USDA rule change.

If your breeder chose not to become licensed, it probably has more to do with their attitude about the federal government/federal regulation than anything else.

Lauri & The Gang 04-07-2014 11:48 PM

This is from the AWA rulebook:

Page 62
Section 3.2 Indoor Housing Facilities - item D


The floors and walls of indoor housing facilities, and any other surfaces in contact with the animals, must be impervious to moisture.
That means that I could not keep my breeding dogs inside my house. My wood floors are NOT impervious to moisture. Instead, in order to comply with the rules, I would have to build something outside of my house to where I would keep my dogs. Something where the floors were concrete (no other surface is impervious to moisture).

LifeofRiley 04-08-2014 12:03 AM

The "indoor housing facility" referred to in that section refers to a very specific type of animal housing... think puppy mill out-buildings.

Home-based breeders and other types of out-buildings/kennel housing have entirely different standards. Please look up the webinar I referenced earlier.

LifeofRiley 04-08-2014 12:39 AM

Here is the link to the "What is APHIS’ Inspection Process in the Home?" webinar for anyone who is interested:

RLwhaler 04-08-2014 01:06 AM

Wow...amazing..Regulating air we breathe will be next.
So,IF I had a friend that lived in NY drove to VT.(breeder) pays for my pup,have him ship to Houston via Delta Airlines would be considered adequate?

Chris Wild 04-08-2014 09:22 AM

Actually, the gist of the webinars was "trust us, home breeders won't be affected, we'll take it on a case by case basis and use common sense", and frankly a whole lot of home based breeders aren't too keen on taking USDA's word for it or trusting that their inspectors will show common sense and not have their own agenda. So yes, a lot of breeders are going to do what they can to avoid having to be USDA licensed. Not selling pups "sight unseen", aka not shipping, is one way for a breeder to avoid that.

A buyer CAN have an uncompensated representative, such as a friend, pick up the puppy from the breeder. This meets USDA's requirement for either the buyer, or someone of the buyer's choosing, viewing the puppy in person prior to purchase. So yes, you could have your friend pick the puppy up and ship it to you.

gsdsar 04-08-2014 09:26 AM

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How about Skype? Could you do that with the breeder, have them hold the puppy up? Then it's not sight unseen?

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Chris Wild 04-08-2014 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by LifeofRiley (Post 5341321)
The "indoor housing facility" referred to in that section refers to a very specific type of animal housing... think puppy mill out-buildings.

It also applies to any area INside the home designated for housing or whelping. So the whole "impervious to moisture" thing DOES apply to that bathroom/bedroom/basement/mudroom/kitchen or wherever the puppies are actually whelped.

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