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Oisin's Aoire 02-12-2014 06:25 PM

Service Dog?? Shot by an Officer
 
This is very hard to watch - warning. I feel there is probably more to the overall story...I do know that from the dashcam perspective it looks like the officer had other options than shooting this poor dog. Instead of getting hung up in the outcry , I was trying to watch the dog's body language , trying to decipher to see if he would have bitten. I think training about dealing with animals should have more of a presence in police training since this happens all the time. If you listen to the officer towrds the end of the recording , his voice is shaky and he sounds frightened of dogs more than anything else.

I also question the validity of the service dog aspect. The article states the dogs have been call on for wandering around the neighborhood before. Not that it matters , if the cop did not need to shoot the dog , he did not need to shoot the dog. Just a splinter thought on why is a service dog looking like he might bite ...

article :
Police Examine Dog-Handling Tactics in Wake of Filer Shooting (with video)

upsetting video , with dialog with owner at end

David Winners 02-12-2014 06:50 PM

1st of all, this is horrible ownership. The owner should NEVER allow the dogs outside, unrestrained and unsupervised. No matter what the reaction of the officer, the situation would have never happened if the animals were legally restrained.

The officer was really stressed due to a previous bite. You can hear it in his voice, even minutes later during the interview with the owner. There are many stress cues in his voice and posture. He was wigging out. This is a total lack of responsibility of the officer to assess the situation and react in an appropriate manner. He has a siren, lights, a horn and a public address system which he could have employed from the safety of his vehicle to alert the owners of the situation. If this was a felony arrest situation with the chance of flight of the suspect I would understand, but this is a dog call. Get back in your car and use the tools you have to address the situation in the manner which will post the least amount of threat to everyone involved.

Why put yourself and the dog at risk over a misdemeanor, and in a situation that is not time sensitive?

Oisin's Aoire 02-12-2014 06:51 PM

^ you pretty much nailed my opinion of the situation.

Nigel 02-12-2014 06:52 PM

Dog should not be allowed to run around like that, owner is irresponsible for sure, but geez couldn't he use pepper spray? Not like he was surprised or startled, he knew they were there. Call dispatch and have the homeowner secure it, didn't seem like a major emergency or anything, why go straight to lethal force?

Loneforce 02-12-2014 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Winners (Post 5012346)
1st of all, this is horrible ownership. The owner should NEVER allow the dogs outside, unrestrained and unsupervised. No matter what the reaction of the officer, the situation would have never happened if the animals were legally restrained.

The officer was really stressed due to a previous bite. You can hear it in his voice, even minutes later during the interview with the owner. There are many stress cues in his voice and posture. He was wigging out. This is a total lack of responsibility of the officer to assess the situation and react in an appropriate manner. He has a siren, lights, a horn and a public address system which he could have employed from the safety of his vehicle to alert the owners of the situation. If this was a felony arrest situation with the chance of flight of the suspect I would understand, but this is a dog call. Get back in your car and use the tools you have to address the situation in the manner which will post the least amount of threat to everyone involved.

Why put yourself and the dog at risk over a misdemeanor, and in a situation that is not time sensitive?

Right on!! :thumbup:

Oisin's Aoire 02-12-2014 07:02 PM

As an aside though , what do you think of the dog's language? I think we'll all agree the officer was very wrong to shoot..but what are experienced people's opinions on the whether on not a dog barking and moving like that was ready to bite or not? I think a little more training on dog body language and behavior could go a long way in the police academy , as this is unfortunately not an uncommon occurrence.

Loneforce 02-12-2014 07:13 PM

"my Opinion" The dog had no idea what the officer had in his hand when he got out of his patrol car. By the looks of it, the gun was drawn the whole time as he exited the car. Maybe if the gun was not drawn, the dog might have acted differently. This is another incident that really did not have to happen. If it was a dog complaint, why in the heck would they send someone who is scared to death of dogs? :( It could have been handled very differently.

Mishka&Milo 02-12-2014 07:16 PM

Oh god. That\'s terrible. What is humanity coming to?!? Seems to me... If the dog was going to bite, he would have when the man kicked him in the face!!! I agree.... A couple of lessons on dog body language would be a great idea... I mean, I\'m sure they come in contact with enough dogs for it to be warranted. And for gods sake... Pepper spray! This just hurts me so much.


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David Winners 02-12-2014 07:30 PM

I do not think the dog would have bitten, especially if the officer would have lowered his threat level. Put the gun behind you, look away, stop shouting, remove the tension from the situation.

He wasn\'t even capable of this with the owner.

AC or at least a K9 officer should have handled this.

David Winners

lennyb 02-12-2014 07:54 PM

I have the up most respect for police officers but this guys a complete ****! He shot the dog and told the owner the dog tried to bite him? First he tried to kick the dog and when he shot the dog was at least 4 -5 feet from him and he gives the owner attitude. I don\'t care if he was previously bitten or not it does not justify lethal force. I served for four years in the military and was trained to fully access a situation prior to taking action. Obviously this guy missed that part of his training. He\'s the type to shoot first and deal with the ramifications of his actions later.. Sorry if I\'m ranting but the video pissed me off.


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