|
|
||||||
![]() |
|
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools |
|
|
#11 (permalink) |
|
Crowned Member
|
you will find that many people here also opposed the laws like Prop B. Not because they have a financial stake in puppy mills but because the legislation would actually be harder on good breeders than it would on puppy mills.
I think that what Lies was referring to was the attitude of "AKC approved breeders" AKC doesn't approve them and AKC registration doesn't mean that the pups are quality dogs. AKC only means that there is a pedigree of ancestors. It says nothing else about the quality of the dog. If more people understood that it is merely a birth certificate perhaps the public attitude would change a bit. |
|
|
|
| Sponsored Links | |||
Advertisement | |||
|
|
#12 (permalink) | |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Michigan/Florida
Posts: 90
|
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#13 (permalink) |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 16,432
|
Then don't give them your money. I don't like what their version of the GSD has become so I am not a member of their parent club and no longer enter AKC events. It's pretty simple for me. I don't support them so I don't pay them. I support other organizations so those are the organizations I join and whose events I enter. It's not my fault people will buy a dog from a puppy mill or pet store because it is "AKC registered" and then get all surprised when they find out the conditions their dog was born into and all the health problems in their lines.
__________________
Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs |
|
|
|
|
|
#14 (permalink) |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mont Co, PA
Posts: 5,473
|
Neither is the HSUS.
__________________
Jamie Raven (GSD) - December 8, 2007 Kaiser (GSD) - November 2009 Holly (GSD) - March 24, 2011 Best Paw Forward Life's Abundance |
|
|
|
|
|
#15 (permalink) | |
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,209
|
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#16 (permalink) |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 16,432
|
How are they endorsing it? They're just a registry. If the DMV lets a drug dealer register their license plate or obtain a driver's license is the state endorsing crime? No...
__________________
Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs |
|
|
|
|
|
#17 (permalink) |
|
Crowned Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark, Ohio
Posts: 21,065
|
The AKC does inspections, and uses the money that they have allocated for that to inspect those breeders who are most likely to have issues -- those who register a lot of litters.
A lot of your pet store puppies are coming with ACA or CKC (Continental Kennel Club) papers or other bogus registries because their breeders already ran afoul of the AKC. The AKC does a lot for dogs. More than HSUS and PETA. Yes they do lobby against legislation that is not necessarily good for dogs. And at the same time, they have created things like the CGC test, that is pretty widely recognized, and allows all dogs, not just AKC dogs to participate. Yes they do charge a fee. Big hairy deal. It costs money to record it and ship a certificate. What little is left is sent to help lobbying or inspecting puppy mills, etc. I support the AKC, because it is the best thing going here in the US as a registry and they also do a lot of other stuff. I think it is well worth what it costs.
__________________
RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC ![]() RIP Whitney, RN CGC ![]() Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC (not AKC) Heidi, RA CGC & Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly CGC & Bear Gretta Hepzibah |
|
|
|
|
|
#18 (permalink) |
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 16,432
|
Agree, I support the *registry* (my dogs are AKC registered). I don't support the parent club's version of the GSD so I am not a member of the parent club and don't enter their events. I honestly don't care if AKC does inspections or not. If dogs are legally being abused or neglected then I'll leave that to the local law enforcement.
__________________
Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs |
|
|
|
|
|
#19 (permalink) |
|
Master Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Cold Midwest
Posts: 612
|
Here is the AKC's response to the article I received by email. February 10, 2013 Dear Fellow Dog Lover, The New York Times published an article using unsubstantiated, anecdotal episodes to paint a grossly misleading and biased picture of dog breeders who register their dogs and litters with the AKC. In addition, they relied on opinions of other animal rights organizations, without facts to back them up, in an attempt to refute the AKC's good working relationship with law enforcement, animal control officers, lawmakers and others who care about animal welfare and reporting animal cruelty. AKC Respected As An Animal Welfare Organization The article states, "But the A.K.C. is increasingly finding itself ostracized in the dog world, in the cross hairs of animal protection services, law enforcement agencies and lawmakers who say that the club is lax in performing inspections and that it often lobbies against basic animal rights bills because they could cut into dog registration fees."
The article also quotes ASPCA President and CEO Ed Sayres who says "a majority of the commercial breeders in the raids that his group participated in had ties to A.K.C.-registered litters." But, there is no proof or numbers given to back up this charge. He goes on to state "The irony to the consumer is that they're paying a lot for a fake Rolex." and that he thinks "dogs are often genetically compromised and come from traumatic environments." Both of these statements are opinions that were printed erroneously as fact. The ASPCA has a history of such tactics. Recently they reached a legal settlement with Feld Entertainment, Inc., the producer of Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus, agreeing to pay Feld $9.3 million to settle all claims related to ASPCA's part in more than a decade of manufactured litigation brought by animal rights interest groups that attempted to outlaw elephants in the company's Ringling Bros. Circus. This settlement applies only to the ASPCA. Feld Entertainment's lawsuit, including its claims for litigation abuse and racketeering (RICO), continues against the remaining defendants, the Humane Society of the United States, the Fund for Animals, Animal Welfare Institute, Born Free USA united with Animal Protection Institute, Tom Rider and the attorneys who were involved. Discovery in the initial lawsuit uncovered over $190,000 that these animal activist groups and their lawyers paid to Tom Rider who lived off of the money while serving as the "injured plaintiff" in the lawsuit against the circus. AKC is a Leading Not-For-Profit Organization The article also states, "As recently as 2010, roughly 40 percent of the A.K.C.'s $61 million in annual revenue came from fees related to registration. Critics say a significant part of that includes revenue from questionable breeders like the Hamiltons, or so-called puppy mills, which breed dogs en masse with little regard for basic living standards." We gave the reporter statistics that dispute this claim but they were not used. In fact, less than 5 percent of our total revenue comes from commercial breeders who register dogs and litters with us.
Hamilton Case: While the article inaccurately portrays Hamilton as a high volume breeder or "puppy mill," court documents make clear that this was a situation where "hoarding is likely a factor in what was occurring as the Hamilton's were clearly unable to part with dogs that they had collected over the years." Williams Case: The article fails to mention that Mr. and Mrs. Williams were charged in July of 2012 with one count of cruelty, and that charge was subsequently dismissed in September of 2012, based on the judge's determination that the warrant that led to the illegal search of the Williams' home and seizure of their dogs and the filing of the single charge was invalid. The Williams engaged in civil litigation to retain custody of their dogs from the "rescue" organization involved in the illegal seizure. This is similar to the more egregious case of Dan Christiansen in Montana who is suing the HSUS for $5M over a 2009 "raid" of his hunting dog kennel. A judge later ruled that the warrant for the raid was obtained based on intentionally misleading information, and all of the cruelty charges against Mr. Christiansen were dismissed. Chilinski Case: Likewise, the story fails to acknowledge that along with the seizure of Mr. Chilinski's dogs, law enforcement seized over 200 marijuana plants that he was growing on his property, a vocation which likely led to the deterioration of his kennel and his overall ability to care for his dogs in the two years between his last AKC inspection and the raid of this property. Voice Your Opinion While the AKC's critics may be vocal, they are few, led by extremist national animal rights groups who see their legislative influence and massive fundraising abilities diminished by growing recognition that the focus of their efforts is not bettering the lives of dogs or enhancing our relationship with them. Nonetheless, AKC continues to:
Please share with your friends and family the facts and go to the NYT website and take the opportunity to post your comments about your commitment to responsible breeding and ownership of dogs. Sincerely,
![]() Alan Kalter Chairman of the Board American Kennel Club
__________________
"And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up." |
|
|
|
| Sponsored Links | |
Advertisement | |
![]() |
| Thread Tools | |
|
|