OK - we can all see that CM provoked the dog. Course, he WAS there to see the dog in action, so he HAD to provoke, IMO. I guess what I have the hardest time dealing with, is all the bashing of what he did. Yet, when you ask what someone else would do in the same position, you get nothing.
I asked for advice 1 - 1/2 years ago. I got lectured, but that's it. We'd had this dog about 6-7 months when the first bite occurred. BTW - she only bit me, not any male. She prefers men. Judging from her physical scars & her overall actions, we guess that she'd been abused by a female. The Rescue never returned our calls, so there was no "send her back" option. And to be honest, we'd already fallen for this big lunkhead. We just knew she'd be PTS if we gave her back. And we were just stubborn enough to want to give her a chance.
Point is, when asked how anyone here would handle a biting dog, everyone skirts the issue. Bad-mouth CM & the constant woulda-coulda-shoulda. But no suggestions as to how to handle it. And liability for 'advice' on a computer forum? Are you kidding me? Who's gonna sue a screen name? That's just a cop-out.
We hired 2 trainers - who knew nothing about NILIF & treat-trained only. Following their advice, we wound up with a dog that only responded to treats. We had a "behaviorist" here. Expensive. When she started talking about Ziva's "relationship" with her mama dog, my lower jaw hit the floor. Before I gave this floozy her check (I kept my end of the bargain) - I asked the dog to get on the couch. Lie her head down on a pillow. Then I asked the dog to tell her life history. The "behaviorist" asked what I was doing. I told her I was showing her the same BS she'd been showing us. And then asked her to leave. See, it's all well & good to tell someone to hire this trainer or that behaviorist, but there's no real screening process. No degrees are needed. Luck of the draw. Obviously, we had no luck, even tho we spent over 3K for these so-called 'professionals'.
Fast-forward to now. We've had her 2 years. This dog has turned into the most beautiful, loving dog anyone could ask for. When I come home from a chemo treatment, I usually lie on the floor in front of the TV. I have a 16-yr-old cat (Oliver) that will lie down about 6" from my face. And an 88-lb lunkhead who lies right beside me, sharing my pillow. My hands are now all over her face & mouth - it is I who brushes her teeth. She's come full circle. Still needs work - I understand the lifelong commitment. But she's safe & she knows that. She's home.
Point is - we could've shaved months off this curve, had someone been willing to give us advice as to how THEY would handle a fear-biter. I mean, you give advice on everything else. But we made it anyway & are better for having done so.
Point is - & I'll keep asking until someone can explain to me otherwise. If you're willing to bash another trainer while, at the same time, refuse to say how YOU would handle the situation...well then, I guess the silence speaks volumes. If the only reason you respond to a CM thread is to bash him, until & unless you're willing to offer an alternative, the bashing means nothing to me.
Actually, I'm GLAD no one would help us (except 1 young man - a perfect stranger - contacted me via PM & showed up at our house a few days later to assess & assist) HE taught us about NILIF. Because we would've wound up getting rid of this dog. And she would've been PTS - no one wants to adopt a biting dog. And she deserved better than that. So does / did Holly. The fact that CM took her in speaks volumes about the man. Funny, I don't like him, either. But at least I can give credit where credit is due.
Last edited by Olivers mama; 11-12-2012 at 02:49 PM.