Hmmm, selzer- let my go ahead and quote what I actually wrote since nowhere did I call anyone unintelligent and nowhere did I label anyone stupid or extremist. I have absolutely no idea where you're getting that. Here's what I wrote:
Here I'm directing these statements about the majority of forum users- the majority (it seems) who participate in schutzhund or some other working sport and use both prong and e-collars. A lot of board members would not be able to have a civil conversation with that interviewer since the interviewer is obviously anti-aversive correction tools in dog training and not willing to listen to ideas on the matter.
Here, as indicated, I'm directing this to average pet owners which are not board members. This board may have 20K+ members, but that's a drop in the bucket to the number of dog owners in America. The average pet owner hardly hangs out on a GSD forum... And if average pet owners are anything like my stepdad, grandpa, mom, and lots of other family- they do not understand how a prong or e-collar works and should be used and do view such aversive corrections as "torture." Yet these are the same people who grew up with "rub their nose in it!" ideas of potty training a dog. At least in my stretch of the woods, this is a beyond common approach. I called such people hypocritical not stupid, extreme, or unintelligent.
Your post talked about majorities, majorities of pet owners, the things the majority of people use, you suggest that people view them as torture items are the same type of people who put the dog's face in poo -- that suggests the people are not up to date, or are unintelligent, but you are not the only one, Larhage calls him a moron -- look that up in the dictionary.
If people do not like the way we train, they are morons.
It's a world filled with morons.
Cesar's methods are controversial. This site shows that. People who will not use his methods on this board do not smash their dogs' noses in poop, and hit them over the head. But we are the elite. We are the people on a GSD site.
Frankly, I think we are a spattering of the general population. Some have been in dogs for a lifetime, others have their very first dog. Some think that prong collars are unnecessary most of the time, and others think that eventually you will need one, while others think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
I think we are
a bunch of idiots if we think that anyone who harbors a different view about how dogs should be trained is uninteligent or otherwise abuses their dogs to train them.