Frustrated - Come ON People!

[Olivers mama]

Virtually ALL of the cop-shoots-dog stories end up being locked. Because little attention is being paid to the facts (which we NEVER know at the outset) & they turn into cop advocates -vs- anti-cop. And, I'm not fooled. People posting these stories know very darn well how the thread will turn out. *I* know how they'll turn out, & I'm a newbie here.

We're all adults (that's a loose assumption) - but do you guys really LIKE the "teacher" coming in to tell us to shut up? I don't - but what else can they do when it always comes to personal blows?

Is there a way to discuss this topic without the crapola personal agendas? And let's be clear - I'm not against people posting their views. I admit up front, I'm normally behind the cops 100%, altho I am able to admit when they make an error. My dad was a cop who taught his daughters to shoot at an early age. I live in Liberal Calif & have a CCW. I am a cancer survivor, still fighting it. I am human. I make mistakes. As are cops. As are all of us.

Does this lock-out of the most recent cop-kills-dog thread mean that we can't discuss anything without resorting to infantile arguments made on a darn computer screen? Can we not stay on topic?

I scoured the net, looking for a picture to illustrate my point, trying to bring a little levity to the hapless arguments. No one even noticed - too busy with their own agendas.

If we - as a computer group - can't discuss this topic with a little intelligence, & less personal stuff - how in Hates do you expect the "professionals" to fix this problem? Isn't it long past time we all grew up?

I dare anyone to respond as an intelligent adult & stop this infantile arguing. Personally, I WANT to continue the discussion, as it hits close to home. But, let's get outta the sandbox, OK?

[msvette2u]

I agree, actually...and I think instead of sitting around on the computer, we get out and educate people.

I think it would be great if there was a free dog behavior seminar offered to police departments.
I'm not sure how to go about doing things like that (not a "starter" type person) but perhaps the Humane Societies local to the departments would be able to help.

[JakodaCD OA]

I read the thread and chose not to comment, why? To many ego's , he's right, she's right, why bother? The original topic got lost in the sauce.

[Olivers mama]

I agree TOTALLY. In fact, after work Friday, I went to our local PD to suggest some sort of seminars on this topic. And called a few local vets with whom I have ties to do the same thing. (Didn't contact AC in this area, as I have little, if no, respect for them here.)

But it's not just the cops that need to be educated - it's the population en masse. What we, as dog owners, should be responsible for. And for which we should be educated. Stop the mind-set where we blame everyone else for our woes. And take the initiative up front. If you don't like the way things go in your town, district, country, either be part of the solution, or move.

I want my house safe from criminals & rogue cops. I want me & mine safe. But that means *I* have to take precautions, as well. I cannot leave the welfare of me, my hubby, our cats & our crazy GSD in the hands of others. If I do everything possible to keep us safe & STILL something happens - mybad. If I do nothing but blame others while something else happens - mybad time 1,000.

Jakoda - see, that's an example. The original juice of the thread got "lost". It should not have been. Perhaps the moderators could take a look at that & attempt to bring us back on track. Then again, if we're all adults, why does it take a mod to tell us? Don't they have better things to do than babysit us?

I'm just sayin'...

[msvette2u]

LOL excellent, but makes too much sense!
The issue is many people don't feel that way at all these days, it's very sad.

I want my house safe from criminals & rogue cops. I want me & mine safe. But that means *I* have to take precautions, as well. I cannot leave the welfare of me, my hubby, our cats & our crazy GSD in the hands of others. If I do everything possible to keep us safe & STILL something happens - mybad. If I do nothing but blame others while something else happens - mybad time 1,000.

[Freestep]

Originally Posted by Olivers mama

Is there a way to discuss this topic without the crapola personal agendas?

Apparently not... I don't even read "cop" threads anymore, as they all end up the same way: everyone says the same thing they said in the last thread about cops. Sigh.

[JakodaCD OA]

Jakoda - see, that's an example. The original juice of the thread got "lost". It should not have been. Perhaps the moderators could take a look at that & attempt to bring us back on track. Then again, if we're all adults, why does it take a mod to tell us? Don't they have better things to do than babysit us

Well I'm not the moderator for that section, but I would have done the same thing, why should "we" have to go thru umpteen pages of postings and delete all the 'bull' going back and forth? The "bull" should have never been started or continued.

And as for the mods having better things to do, I'm sure we all do, if people posted like adults in the first place, and stayed on track, well our jobs would be much much easier and this forum would have no need of moderators, but apparently that can't happen.

I do think 'freely educating', the PD or any other org, on dog behavior / how to approach certain situations, would be quite beneficial maybe time could be spent on 'how' to implement such a thing.

[x0emiroxy0x]

The two threads on this forum that will ALWAYS end with being closed are threads about pitbulls and threads about cops. People either love or despise both and (usually) nothing you say will change that.

Also, any time someone posts a "fact" without a source, I would ask where they found this statistic at. 90% of the "facts" posted in arguments are misquoted/manipulated/ or taken from websites that are in no way reliable.

I am no longer even clicking on any thread about cops...the same 4-5 people post the same negative opinions and the same 2-3 people defend cops. What's the point? I agree to disagree lol

[Twyla]

Originally Posted by Olivers mama

Virtually ALL of the cop-shoots-dog stories end up being locked. Because little attention is being paid to the facts (which we NEVER know at the outset) & they turn into cop advocates -vs- anti-cop. And, I'm not fooled. People posting these stories know very darn well how the thread will turn out. *I* know how they'll turn out, & I'm a newbie here.

Yes, as I replied in the earlier thread I started on this topic: I knew there was a chance it could turn out to be the typical bashing thread, but had hopes (where have we heard that before ) that it would remain on topic. Obviously we saw how well that did not work.

This is information that would be valuable to any of us on here, regardless if we lived in downtown major city or out in the middle of nowhere.

From experience of what has happened with any of the previous threads, the only way to even attempt to get this information is through a moderated thread. The moderators don't have the time for that, they have their own lives to live as well. And I can't blame any of the LEO on this forum for not wanting to contribute their knowledge to a thread and get mixed up in threads such as the previous ones.

[Nikitta]

Hm, I KNEW there was a reason I never post of "cop" threads.