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Old 09-22-2012, 08:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Yep, Mrs. K. Dogs suffer all the time in the name of human ego.

I know lots of dogs who would/could take that abuse. Not really that big of a deal. It doesn't mean they should have to take it. It's all the dog knows. To him, that's a normal day of training.
Agreed. We all know that IPO sport doesn't really work without correction. At some point you have to correct, but this was just senseless. If I am that angry with myself or the dog, I put the dog away and cool off.


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There is a guy named Jantie who discovered a lot of shady stuff. I believe he's also on pedigree database. It's nothing new, it's an open secret. However, the SV wants him out of the club because he's becoming too much of "problem" for corrupt officials.
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:43 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I guess I'm naive because I thought people attended these sports with their dogs for the love the sport and their dogs. Didn't know there were dog sport people out there who have the 'crazy soccer parent' mentality.


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This is yet another reason why points based training that brings out egos isn't in the best interest of the dog. The old pass/fail system, imo, was a better test and fairer to the dog in many aspects.
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:56 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I guess I'm naive because I thought people attended these sports with their dogs for the love the sport and their dogs. Didn't know there were dog sport people out there who have the 'crazy soccer parent' mentality.
I don't think you are naive....majority of the people who train in the sport are doing it for the love of their dogs and sport. There are radicals everywhere, and they always make a bad name for whatever they affiliate with.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:59 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. This takes place in Luxemburg, which is a EU nation. To the best of my knowledge the use of e-collars and pinch collars is banned within the EU. Is it possible that this handler, being a law-abiding EU citizen, was forced to resort to such methods being that more humane and effective tools are illegal?
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:07 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. This takes place in Luxemburg, which is a EU nation. To the best of my knowledge the use of e-collars and pinch collars is banned within the EU. Is it possible that this handler, being a law-abiding EU citizen, was forced to resort to such methods being that more humane and effective tools are illegal?
It's not in all of Europe. In Germany E-Collars (well you can buy and own them, you are just not allowed to use them on the dog) are banned but pinch collars are still legal, however there are people working on banning them too

I am not quite sure if both is illegal in Luxemburg.
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Well, I know one thing. It is not illegal to edit videos in Europe.

No one has noticed the rather blatant editting in this video? The yelping sound is added where the editor wants things to look the worst. Right in the beginning, sound is added and then the video repeats the one time movements from this man, four times. That same piece of video is shown again later in the video without sound.

The video is silent until select times where there is sound inserted. That yelping sound is always the same and it is way too loud to be heard that clearly, from the distance the video is filmed from.

No court of law would ever accept something like this as evidence. It is quite clearly tampered with. The reactions of the dog does not fit either.


Once I see something like the blatant editting present here, I am MUCH less willing to join the lynch mob. Clearly, whoever was filming and editting his work, did not like this person.
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Well, he is being investigated for cruelty in Luxemburg and he did get disqualified afterall. Just because this was edited, doesn't excuse what he's done to that dog, or why in the **** would you pull and drag a dog on his ears over the field? What's the point? Give me one good reason what the dog learned from that. It may be edited but whats in there speaks volumes and for itself. Apparently it was enough for the FCI to kick him out of the trial.

Since he is investigated one would "assume" (I know I know) there is more going on than just that video and I wouldn't be surprised if this is not the last thing we get to see/hear.

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Well, he is being investigated for cruelty in Luxemburg and he did get disqualified afterall. Just because this was edited, doesn't excuse what he's done to that dog, or why in the **** would you pull and drag a dog on his ears over the field? What's the point? Give me one good reason what the dog learned from that. It may be edited but whats in there speaks volumes and for itself. Apparently it was enough for the FCI to kick him out of the trial.

Since he is investigated one would "assume" (I know I know) there is more going on than just that video and I wouldn't be surprised if this is not the last thing we get to see/hear.


Edited, not edited... doesn't matter. There's abuse going on any way you slice it. THAT can't be edited.
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why in the **** would you pull and drag a dog on his ears over the field? What's the point? Give me one good reason what the dog learned from that.
I have no intention of getting into that kind of conversation. That was not my point.
The sound was put in there and things were changed and repeated to make it look worse. If it was bad enough for whoever filmed this to turn him in, they should have left it alone and let people judge based on the truth, not using tricks designed to disturb, upset and enrage the people viewing.

Without the edits, it looks bad...I agree ....but with them, he becomes a monster....that's just not right. Not in my opinion. People should be judged based on what actually took place. The truth matters to me and for me, the deception in that video is wrong.

I might totally disagree with how he trains dogs and probably would not like this man. Still, not the point I was making.
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This has nothing to do with a "dark side" of IPO. This is just an abusive ******* to happens to train in IPO. This could have been any sport.
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