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post #21 of 72 (permalink) Old 09-22-2012, 03:34 PM
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The thing that amazes me is how hard that dog is, he keeps coming back and never shuts down. I am not sure what this guy is trying to accomplish with swiping his hands all around the dog's head; at that point, it doesn't look like he's even touching the dog, is he just trying to get the dog to focus?

Chasing a dog down with a whip is extraordinarily stupid, pointless, and mean, IMO. He's using fear and avoidance to get this dog into precise position, and his timing is awful to boot. It's a wonder this dog isn't an absolute mess.

However, it sounds to me like the screaming dog sounds are dubbed in. Either that or the sound isn't in sync with the video, because at times, it doesn't look like the dog is screaming when you hear the sound.
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Ok, I understand everyone has their own way of training, but that is excessive....and why is he picking up the dog by the EARS?!! From what I understand, dogs need confidence to compete in these sports...this is going to backfire, majorly!

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The thing that amazes me is how hard that dog is, he keeps coming back and never shuts down.
I was thinking the same! Eventually that dog will break.

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I watched it.

I was not concerned with the noise coming out of the dog. Some dogs are whiny screechy when excited. When he was using the whip along side, I have been encouraged to use a dowel rod alongside to keep the dog in position. You cannot hurt a dog that way. So that really didn't get me going.

I did not like the way he chased after the dog with the whip, unreal. And, when the dog stopped biting he ran up and hit the dog, then chased the dog. Is that how they train them to go go go go go?

And the people sitting by just another day in the yard. Weird.

I am glad the FCI DQ'd him, but I hope that it was not off a doctor'd U-tube. I mean, I think there was enough on that u-tube to show that he is a scumbag that couldn't actually be doctored, but if someone actually tried to make it look worse, that kind of stinks too.

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That's insane, it's just a sport. This reminds me of those parents that get in fights or yell at their children during their kids' sport game, or yell/hit them later because of the game.

It's just a game, even police dogs whose mistakes can save or jeopardize a life aren't trained that cruelly.


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That's insane, it's just a sport. This reminds me of those parents that get in fights or yell at their children during their kids' sport game, or yell/hit them later because of the game.

It's just a game, even police dogs whose mistakes can save or jeopardize a life aren't trained that cruelly.
It's not just a sport. It's a multi-million dollar business and when it is about money, or ambition, the animals are the ones that suffer.
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It's not just a sport. It's a multi-million dollar business
Really?? I didn't know that at all. Who is making millions on it? (I assume it must be the FCI, but this really is news to me.) Do they make the millions based on advertising? Is the 1st place purse really very high?

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I finally watched the video and it is heavily edited to make it look and sound far worse than it is with people actually hiding in the trees to film it. The training is bad and stupid (no, I don't condone his methods), IMO, but this guy was set up maybe by another competitor? Or just someone who is anti SchH, anti dog training, an AR nut, who knows. It was done to elicit a reaction from people and, from reading the comments in this thread and on FB, it has succeeded.

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Yep, Mrs. K. Dogs suffer all the time in the name of human ego.

I know lots of dogs who would/could take that abuse. Not really that big of a deal. It doesn't mean they should have to take it. It's all the dog knows. To him, that's a normal day of training.
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why is he picking up the dog by the EARS?!!
That made me want to do the same to him.
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