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Old 09-22-2012, 12:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I have no problem issuing a correction...but if I had to chase my dog down like that to get results I would put the dog away and think. 'How did I screw up so badly that had to happen'. I have witnessed intense, driven dogs who need corrections...they showed no avoidance and kept going, even after a very harsh correction. I didn't see the dog worse for wear after..can someone point out if the dog was in distress?

I'm glad the FCI pulled him, do not get me wrong. I think there is another way to work with the hard dogs being bred and they do not need to be beaten to get results. Playing devils advocate, really...I'm going to go do a little OB with my girl and be happy our training is *not* like that!
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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WOW that is downright wrong. That guy should NOT be training dogs. I cannot believe the people there just watch all of this unfold. Maybe they didn't feel comfortable telling him anything to his face so they told someone to hide in the bushes to film and chose this route. Either way, there is no way my big mouth would stand by and let that happen. I would refuse to be a part of any sort of group training if there was member blatantly abusing their dog.
Using fair and well timed corrections to get a dog to comply is one thing. This man is not using well timed corrections, he is chasing his dog down, when his dog finally stops running he is beating it until he feels it has felt enough pain and his anger has subsided slightly. This man is punishing out of anger.

He either could care less about how dogs fundamentally work as far as timing with corrections and rewards go, or he is a complete moron. Either way I am glad he got pulled from the FCI. I hope he takes a very long and hard look at himself and the way he trains. If this is what he feels is appropriate in public, I fear for his dogs lives in the privacy of his home...

Absolutely disgusting behavior.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:55 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I couldn't finish watching it. I hope that dog rips the guy's face off in his sleep. I'm sorry, but if I were there, I'd have gotten up and beat the crud out of that moron. If I EVER see anything like this I would never, ever just sit there and watch or turn away. This is WAY over the line! He needs to be banned permanently!!
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I have no problem issuing a correction...but if I had to chase my dog down like that to get results I would put the dog away and think. 'How did I screw up so badly that had to happen'. I have witnessed intense, driven dogs who need corrections...they showed no avoidance and kept going, even after a very harsh correction. I didn't see the dog worse for wear after..can someone point out if the dog was in distress
It's a sport. A game. A hobby. Someone's pride.

It's just not worth it, imo. If, for some reason, you must treat a dog this way to save his life or the life of someone else, that's another thing. But for a game?
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Not only excessive and abusive--but bad training with bad timing. That dog is a saint for not biting him.
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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There is something off with that video
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Happens all the time. Off the top of my head, I can think of two WELL respected trainers who have killed dogs, both by kicking them to death, one out of anger because he messed up a track and one died after "learning" an exercise...can't remember which exercise.

Another national level trainer's regular correction to his dog is a hard punch squarely to the nose. This is yet another reason why points based training that brings out egos isn't in the best interest of the dog. The old pass/fail system, imo, was a better test and fairer to the dog in many aspects.
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I am going to be going to sch. Training soon. I know its a game...but some people are so passionate they loose sight. Either way, if my dogs were ever to stop screaming with excitement and carrying on when they see their prongs I'd be having a deep talk with myself about priorities.
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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There is something off with that video
The sounds are dubbed in--and it's the same sound re-used. I think they repeat the same moment several times, too, to make it look like he hits the dog repeatedly.
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:21 PM   #20 (permalink)
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This should be titled "The dark side of humans". This type of cruely is not limited to IPO. Good that the FCI took a stand!!
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